AMD have launched Mobile Kaveri with FX-7600P leading the pack

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  1. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Looking at the 3DMark11 scores in the HotHardware reviews, and correlating them with NotebookCheck's stats...

    AMD says that the i7-4500U gets 932 in the performance test, according to their slide on page 2. It has the HD Graphics 4400, which Notebookcheck says averages 829. So AMD is actually overstating Intel's performance by 12%. Maybe they're just giving Intel the benefit of the latest drivers, but that's surprising...

    Comparing to Intel's CPUs, as well as Trinity, in 3DMark 11 (haven't found Richland stats, assuming slightly better than Trinity):

    A6-5200/Radeon 8400 (Kabini, 2013): 688
    i7-4600U/HD 4400: 829
    A10-4655M/HD 7620G (Trinity, 2012): 948
    i7-4650U/HD 5000: 1077
    i7-4600M/HD 4600: 1118
    i7-4558U/Iris Pro 5100: 1342
    FX-7500 (Kaveri 19W, 2014): 1473, AMD slide
    FX-7600P (Kaveri, 2014): 2142 HotHardware
    i7-4750HQ/Iris Pro 5200: 2291 (CPU used in System76 Galago Ultra Pro, $999)

    So either Kaveri is 30% better than the HD 4600, or it's within spitting distance of the Iris Pro 5200. Obviously that's a big difference. TechReport's game stats show the FX-7600P at nearly double the FPS of the HD 4600 in BioShock Infinite, Dirt Showdown, and Tomb Raider, however. Given that, it's possible that AMD screwed up their own slide, HotHardware's benchmark is accurate, and Kaveri really is pretty close to Iris Pro.

    Either way, I'm definitely not buying anything with the HD 4400 at this point, and even the HD 4600 is looking weak. If Kaveri really is pretty close to Iris Pro, it's a slam-dunk. If not, it will likely still have a good price advantage that may make it worth it. AMD suggested an FX-7600P with a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB RAM for $700 is possible, which would be worth considering vs. the Galago Ultra Pro with a 500 GB, 5400 RPM HDD, 4 GB RAM, and no Windows for $999, even if their own pessimistic benchmarks prove more accurate. Although let's hope that $700 option doesn't include a rubbish screen. I can live with Twisted Nemantic, but please more than 1366x768 resolution!
     
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    Why are we comparing the i7-4500u, which is a ULV 15w part, to the FX-7600P, which is a standard voltage 35w part, and being surprised when the FX-7600P is faster? I mean if it's AMD making the comparison for marketing reasons then fine, but it's still an odd comparison to make when you normally wouldn't compare ultrabook ULVs to standard voltage 15" laptops.
     
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    What?

    Anyway, nice this FX-7600P, but not interested to buy any 15" or 17" laptop.
     
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    AMD knows they can't compete at the high end and don't even try. So they target the area in which they think they can compete. I agree that a much more fair test would be AMD standard-voltage vs. Intel standard-voltage, but the current benchmarks are likely all from systems at AMD's event, and we're going to have to wait a while to get accurate comparisons from more similar Intel-based systems.
     
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    What what? :)


    My point is that the storage subsystem is worth buying that $700 system for. Not that I would use such a platform myself; I would simply reuse the PCIe SSD in a better machine. ;)
     
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    Not sure who this was directed to, but the CPUs I listed vary significantly in wattage. The i7-4600M, in particular, is a 37W part - slightly above the FX-7600P, and the FX-7600P is still significantly better than it in graphics. Depending on which benchmarks are more accurate, its GPU may even be competitive with what's in Intel's 47W mobile parts.

    But as for myself, looking at laptops, I don't care if the CPU is 15W or 35W or 45W, as long as the cooling is adequate. I just care about performance, price, and build quality. It happens that there are a lot of Intel CPU laptops that only offer low-voltage CPUs - IIRC the Surface Pro 2 is one of these. If that's all a model offers, I'll compare it against whatever CPU the competing models offer.

    Edit: It's also worth noting that the i7-4500U is a nearly-$400 processor. We don't know the exact pricing for the FX-7600P, but it likely does not exceed $200 by much, and may well be below that. Price-wise and power-wise, the i5-4200M is probably the closest comparison, but if the price is below $200, you'd have to go considerably lower on Intel's chart to find a CPU to compare to.
     
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    The OEMs don't see an issue in using that ULV CPU with a discrete GPU that consumes more than the FX-7600P as a whole. So I think it is a fair comparison.
    The great issue that AMD will face with these APUs is that OEMs will STILL only use them in crapbooks: those 15,6'' plastic aberrations with 1366x768 TN displays, slow mechanical hard-drives and only one RAM stick. Exactly everything that is necessary to make the Kaveri APUs look bad.
     
  10. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    That 2142 points awesome from integrated graphics. I wonder do they used with DDR3 2133MHz memory?

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