All Games Running Smooth & Choppy PERIODICALLY

Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by LeftEyeNine, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    It wasn't in that thread. That thread was me ranting about disabling "Battery level -reporting-" but battery boost was still active.
    Battery boost can only be disabled (removing the power throttle when the battery is below 30% or unplugged) by unplugging the battery then re-programming three EC RAM Registers in RW Everything.
    You can't disable battery boost if the battery is plugged in.

    I don't even remember what it was now.
    I think it was EC register 31-->09 (turns on the battery circuit)
    EC register 42-->64.

    I think there was a third register too. I think register E3(?), increasing the value by 01 if you have a GTX 1070 to raise the absolute AC cap from 230W to 330W (GTX 1080 level?).
    That's not related to the 'remove battery enforced throttle' though.
     
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  2. Deks

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    Considering the system you have, I take it that the warranty is long gone and you're left to your own devices.

    First thing to do would be to open up the laptop and check for dust accumulation inside the system along with cleaning the fans and area between the fans with the exhaust ports (don't just use a pressure air can blower as that could push the dust further inside the system).

    Second would be to replace the thermal paste on the CPU and GPU (I'd recommend using GC Gelid Extreme or Kryonaut - both are rather excellent, but Kryonaut might be better due to higher thermal conductivity... also, don't use a lot - just enough to spread the surface area of both chips with a thin layer).

    I'd invest some money into decent thermal pads (low thickness of 0.5mm probably) with high thermal conductivity between 8-10 W/mK (as stock ones are usually shipped with relatively low thermal conductivity - half of what I wrote) which you'd apply on all chips that need them.

    The thermal pads with decent thermal conductivity (ranging from 8 to 10 W/mk) are not usually used by laptop manufacturers as they tend to cut corners (sometimes, they don't use thermal pads at all, just thermal paste) and unsurprisingly, this can cause thermal issues when you try gaming (even on a brand new system).

    But, when the warranty is gone, its good to invest into decent thermal pads and paste as these are the most likely things to need replacement once the system shows choppiness in games or other software (or sooner if you think its needed and the OEM didn't do these things properly).
    Unless of course this is a sign of a GPU going bad... but this doesn't seem all too likely as 970m seemed like a good quality GPU at the time, so it should last a while longer.
     
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  3. LeftEyeNine

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    Hello,

    1) Uninstalling Nahimic did not work

    2) Fired up HWiNFO and started logging GPU temp. Ran the game until choppiness showed up and went back to normal. Temp peaked at 88 C - not 1 degree higher though.

    3) I still do not understand how you disable Battery Boost.

    @Deks you speak sense, sir, however, when I had spilled some sugar-free tea last year that made me end up with a malfunctioning keyboard, I had opened up the chassis only to see that digging further into the notebook would mean a lot of work that needed equipment and expertise beyond my reach. Thermal pasting/padding GPU is something I cannot do, therefore.

    I guess I'll give one last shot by formatting PC. I had installed SQL and database stuff as well as coding prerequisites during my master's, those things generally end up abominating your rig.
     
  4. Deks

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    Formatting the PC won't do much/anything if the issue you experience is down to dust accumulation and dried up thermal paste (which is very possible).

    Given the laptop you have, it seems that MSI decided to invert the motherboard and place the CPU/GPU below the keyboard... so it would be impossible to reach the components in question without disassembling the whole unit (or at least most of it).

    If you are not comfortable tearing down the whole thing (I'd be apprehensive doing that too, although, its mainly a matter of keeping track of all the screws and cables you disconnected), perhaps you could try getting in touch with someone who could that for you?

    Because, if the machine needs thermal paste replacement and good internal dust cleaning, then not addressing those issues will cause major problems down the line (and you would want to avoid that considering the machine is still pretty good).
     
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  5. LeftEyeNine

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    You are becoming very provocative about opening my geek chakras again, good sir. I guess I'll open up this old boi. Thanks.
     
  6. LeftEyeNine

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    Okay, hoping to get away with the less intrusive options to remedy my problem, as a last resort, I resetted my laptop to factory settings. Installed only what is essential to keep it as slim as possible: No. The problem ensues.

    So, @Deks I have been convinced that I need to dissect this old bad boy.

    Thank you all for your recommendations.
     
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    By the way, is this the Kryonaut you speak of?
     
  8. Deks

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    If you're referring to me, then yes, that's it.
    :)

    And its a good thing you decided to go in to physically clean out the laptop and replace the thermal paste on CPU and GPU.

    Will you also replace the thermal pads with higher quality ones?
    If you have thermal paste on VRM's or certain chips (such as GPU chips), I'd personally clean that off and replace it with quality thermal pads that are say 12 W/mK and 0.5mm thickness (you want them relatively thin so as to avoid the cooling assembly being uneven). But if you already have thermal pads on those chips, you might as well leave them, clean out the dust and repaste the CPU and GPU (and then of course test the system to see how it behaves).

    And please, let us know if doing all that solved the problem you had and what the temps are.
     
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  9. LeftEyeNine

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    Well, that or spend a money double my salary on a gaming laptop which is impossible, let alone being unreasonable, at this point.

    I have never dealt with laptop innards so I am not really acquainted what is what. Just watched an MSI GS60 SSD upgrade video to get an idea what it will look like however it will not really be meaningful until I open it up simultaneously. I so wish I had- wait my TV can access Youtube. Hrmmm...

    Thermal pads look a bit pricey at this moment. I'll first go ahead with thermal-pasting only, if it fails, I'll chip in more for thermal pads.

    I'll be asking questions as I proceed with procedures in this thread - so please hang around so that I do not spread thermal paste all over the motherboard like peanut butter.

    Thanks.
     
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