ALIENWARE 15 HYPE?! leaked video

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    yeah I'm gonna wait a month or so after I get mine. Get my review up and done and then see how prices settle. I'd like to be about 250$ if I can get those speeds for a 500GB SSD.
     
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    Its so bulky and its gonna be expensive.
     
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    Let me know if this reply should be a new thread.

    There has been a lot of controvery, anger, and confusion surrounding the new Alienware 15, and I want to reply to that. There are those who, in their frustration, are dismissing the Alienware 15 and 17, saying they are for blind idiot consumers.

    Look, I agree that there should be an Alienware 18 Roswell MX Edition laptop that allows for desktop CPUs, fully customizable, replaceable CPU/GPU, etc, for the enthusiast desktop replacement crowd. I get that. They would have to price it pretty high for sake of the parts and so on, but people seem to be willing to pay that kind of price.

    However, let it be known that the new Alienware 15 has a market for even the informed customers. For example, consider that the Alienware 15 is the only touchscreen laptop with a 9XXm series GPU. Instantly, anyone with those requirements would have to settle on this laptop. Let me elaborate, by comparing this laptop to some competitors.

    Alienware 15 vs Lenovo Y50
    Advantages Y50:
    - Cheaper
    - Thinner
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - chassis better materials
    - faster 980m vs 860m
    - better screen IPS 1080p vs crap TN 1080p, and Sharp 60Hz 4K vs crap Samsung 48Hz 4k
    - DisplayPort
    - M2 ports

    Alienware 15 vs Acer V Nitro 15
    Advantages Nitro 15:
    - Cheaper
    - Thinner
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - chassis better materials
    - faster 980m vs 860m
    - 4K screen option
    - DisplayPort
    - Touchscreen option

    Alienware 15 vs Asus NX500
    Advantages NX500:
    - thinner
    - probably higher quality chassis
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - faster 980m vs 850m
    - cheaper

    Alienware 15 vs HP Omen
    Advantages Omen:
    - Cheaper
    - Thinner
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - chassis better materials
    - faster 980m vs 860m
    - 4K screen option
    - non-soldered ram
    - less unethical (HP Boycott Campaign: Home)

    Alienware 15 vs MSI GS60
    Advantages GS60:
    - Thinner
    - 3K option
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - Touchscreen option
    - Sharp 60Hz 4K vs Samsung 48Hz 4K
    - more USB ports
    - faster 980m vs 970m

    Alienware 15 vs Razer Blade 14
    Advantages Razer Blade 14:
    - Thinner
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - Faster 980m vs 870m
    - DisplayPort
    - Cheaper
    - non-soldered ram

    Alienware 15 vs Auros X5
    Advantages Auros X5
    - Thinner
    - usually faster 965m SLI vs 980m
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - Cheaper
    - Touchscreen option

    Alienware 15 vs Gigabyte P35X v3
    Advantages P35X v3:
    - Thinner
    - 3K option
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - Touchscreen option
    - 4k option

    Alienware 15 vs MSI GS30:
    Advantages MSI GS30:
    - Thinner
    - better CPU 4870HQ vs 4710HQ
    - better docking station with power, network, audio, and PCI 3.0 x16 vs x4
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - better screens
    - 4K option
    - has a dedicated GPU vs iris 5200
    - touchscreen option
    - DisplayPort
    - twice as many USB ports

    Alienware 15 vs Clevo P75xZM
    Advantages P75xZM:
    - non-soldered GPU
    - desktop CPU
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - slightly thinner
    - Touchscreen option

    Alienware 15 vs Clevo P65xSx
    Advantages Clevo P65xSx:
    - thinner
    - most likely better cooling
    Advantages Alienware 15:
    - touchscreen option
    - graphics amplifier option

    Notes:

    - The graphics amplifier external GPU option is an advantage for the Alienware 15 across the board, except for the MSI GS30, which also has an external GPU option.

    - I didn't weigh in subjective things, such as how cool, stylish, or embarrassing the chassis is.

    - The jury is still out on cooling performance of the Alienware 15

    - The Alienware 15's chassis is made of high quality parts, which would make it at least feel more premium than most of its competitors.

    FAQ:

    Q: But the Graphics Amplifier supports only x4, so it is gimped out the gate. Why waste your money on that?
    A: The practical performance difference between x4 and x16 is apparently way overblown:

    GeForce GTX 980 PCI-Express Scaling | techPowerUp .

    Q: How do you know the Alienware 15 will use the Sharp 60Hz panel?
    A: It appears that the screen is holding up the expected delivery dates on Alienware 15s ordered with the 4K panel. As far as I know, there is no Samsung 4K screen shortage, but there has most certainly been an ongoing Sharp 4K screen supply problem (just look at the recent Clevo 4K option histories). Oh, and AlienwareTechSupport on twitter told me that the CES Alienware 15 had a Sharp panel =P.

    Q: Why would you want a touchscreen? Eww.
    A: - More effective multi-touch mobile game and app development.
    - While I'm standing up and roaming around, it's nice to be able to quickly tap something that pops up on the screen, without having to keel down to the touchpad or mouse.
    - It's faster to tap big form fields (such as Gmail) even when sitting.
    - It makes casually scrolling through articles far more comfortable while sitting cross-legged with the laptop on my lap.
    - It makes it easier to pin-and-zoom to quickly show somebody nearby a specific part of a web page, such as a picture.
    - It makes it easier for me to over-the-shoulder help guide someone sitting at my computer on how to perform a task. "Click this

    (tap), then scroll down here (swipe)" and so on.

    Q: Doesn't 4K scale to 1080p perfectly, since there are exactly 4 times the number of pixels (evenly divisible)?
    A: Not necessarily. In my experience with a 4K Y50, 1080p was less sharp than a native 1080p screen. It appears that the screen interpolates pixels regardless of the ideal arithmetic. Playing games at 1080p was seamless though and I don't think I would be able to tell which was the native 1080p screen if placed side-by-side.

    Q: Doesn't Windows have sucky scaling?
    A: This is a common misconception. For the most part, 4K on the Lenovo Y50 worked really well in Windows (8.1). I had the scale settings set at 125% or 150% and I only had trouble in certain applications, such as Adobe CS6 suite and a few game development IDEs. It really depends on what applications you're using. But for normal web browsing and file management, the 4K was great.

    Q: Where's my numpad?
    A: I personally don't like the numpad. Not having a numpad keeps my typing more centered with the screen. Typing on a laptop with a numpad has slowly taken a toll on my neck muscles, because my shoulders are oriented asymmetrically, even if ever so slightly. Moreover, I type numbers a lot, but the horizontal number row is much faster to type on, because they are closer to the letters, and you can also more effectively use two hands.

    Q: Is it easy to access part X? What type of storage slots does this have?
    A: These, and a whole lot of other questions can be answered in the service manual located here:

    Alienware 15 Service Manual

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    I ordered the 4K 980m Alienware 15 on January 8th, so I might come on here and follow up with my thoughts on it when I get it, God-willing. If I made this its own thread, then maybe I could keep updating it.
     
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    You're under the impression the " Graphics Amplifier supports only x4". It's actually 16x and dictated by the CPU's. Lower terd CPU's limit it to x4.

    I actually like the AW15 and 17 alot. I would have bought a AW15 with a GA in a heartbeat had it not had soldered parts and limited selection of configurable BGA CPU's. They would need to offer a extreme CPU or at least a socket so I upgrade it myself like the AW14 could.

    Also I don't want to have to pay whatever Dell are asking me for warranty to cover the machine. Warranty is a 200% must with all these components soldered together. If 1 part breaks, there is no hope for anyone to be able to replace the damaged component. If your not covered.. that's a pretty expensive paper weight. Thinking the GA will extend the lifetime of the machine under the current soldered design is only true for as long as you keep paying for Dell warranty.
     
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    Actually while it is limited by the ULV cpu to 4x speeds i also read that the cable itself is limited to 4x
    (information courtesy of another nbr forum member in the aw13 thread)

     
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    I don't think thats right. Alot of people have been reporting x4 not just yourself. But I've yet to see any concrete evidence. I refuse to believe AW would drop the ball and be so shortsighted.. but then again..
     
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    While I understand everyone is disappointed the cpu and gpu is soldered, it is unfortunately the way the whole industry is heading and I am sure in 2 years times mxm cards will be a thing of the past.

    I have owned every generation of AW plus many other clevo's, msi and apple machines and in all honesty by the time it comes to the point where I want to upgrade the GPU, the new model is out which comes with newer tech/benefits and I end up selling my current model and buying the newer. Also throw in the fact that mxm cards cost a small fortune it is often as economical to sell old and buy a new machine.

    I have ordered a 17 r2 and currently have a r1. I contemplated upgrading mine but I wanted:
    the IPS screen
    the thinner profile (the r1 is a hulk, thicker than even the m17x r4)
    the option of the GA in the future when my 970m doesn't cut it (if I haven't sold it for a new model)

    I will test the r2 vs my r1 and post a review. I am completely unbiased and will be happy to send the r2 back if it does not meet my quality standards.
     
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    2years may be too soon, msi has concretely promised gpu upgradability for two generations on the brand new gt72 and the gt80 that have the 900m series, at worst i imagine either after the 1100series we may have to start worrying about completely soldered components.
     
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    Thing is, the whole industry isn't moving towards it. That's just an excuse people use to settle for a massive compromise. Do you think they would keep selling BGA performance machines if no one bought them or something? Of course not. Intel, Alienware, and the whole merry bunch of BGA peddlers would quickly go back to socketed machines.

    Your example of upgrading every new model is fine. It works well if that's what you do. So long as newer is better, which we've seen not to be the case with Ivy to Haswell, I'd agree MXM's GPU's a stupid expensive. But nothing to stop anyone from selling their old MXM GPU to offset the cost.

    Anyway, I don't think I'll comment anymore. I don't want to tarnish your new experience. You'll still love it. My disappointment is there is nothing on offer within Alienware for me or people who don't like compromising on the hardware and terms of ownership of what's inside. That's not meant to be condescending... But I think you know where I am coming from :)

    Clevo seems to be capitalizing on this, I'll probably jump ship next machine.
     
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