Acer Predator Helios 500 (Intel + nVidia)

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  1. hmscott

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    I don't think we've seen any owners here yet on NBR but we need someone with one to do the undervolt and other tuning to get the best performance and then write up the results.

    Until then we've only got the notebookreview article, and they don't undervolt, it's all just stock with no tuning, which means the CPU will power throttle and thermal throttle when put under heavy use - and show performance drops with back to back tests without 100% cooling.

    IDK why they do that, run back to back tests without 100% fan, or undervolt, but they do. Be aware that undervolting will give you more head room, and 100% fan or custom fan curve will improve performance.

    Some reviewers are starting to at least undervolt -100mV and rerun a few benchmarks, showing good improvements in scores, but they don't do any further undervolt tuning on the CPU or undervolt the Pascal GPU, nor do they set up custom fan curves or RTSS tuning - so gaming benchmarks are unlimited FPS - nice for a score but not when you actually want to gave for a few hours. :)

    Here is the review, check it out and watch for new ones - if you find one please post it here, if it hasn't already been posted.

    Acer Predator Helios 500 (GTX 1070, i7-8750H) Laptop Review
    Sebastian Jentsch (translated by Martin Jungowski), 06/08/2018
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Helios-500-GTX-1070-i7-8750H-Laptop-Review.308084.0.html
     
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    Awesome! Thank You! I have an Asus gl703ge which i've gotten up to 1270 multicore cinebench r15. I'll be doing liquid metal and copper coil just to push the boundaries and see how much multicore horse power i can get out of it (focused on code compilation and other high processing and less on relatively high refresh graphics needs).
     
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    As long as you aren't thermal throttling, you won't gain performance from cooling further.

    Undervolting with ThrottleStop or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility core and cache on the CPU and GPU will also help with power throttling, so give that a try before wasting time re-pasting.

    You can also tune the fan curve on CPU / GPU (if the vendor tools works) to reduce temperature a little further at high load, or reduce fan noise at low load operation.

    I also recommend setting up RTSS to limit FPS to the screen refresh to save CPU / GPU rendering frames not used, that can reduce heat and fan noise for all games rendering higher than display refresh rate.

    There are plenty of software settings available for tuning the system, application, game, along with tools like RTSS that can be used to tune with software first. Once you have the software optimized then you have a good base to work from, with tests and temperatures noted for future reference, to use for comparison after doing other software / hardware changes like re-paste / re-pad to get solid numbers on what the improvement from the change really is.

    Usually after software tuning there is no longer a performance need to re-paste / re-pad, except for vanity reasons / something to do for fun.

    You usuall have 7-14 days after purchase to return a new laptop, so if you can't get the laptop to stop thermal throttling even after applying tuning techniques, undervolting, fan curve tuning, FPS limiting, power plan settings (Balanced 0% / 100% vs High Performance 100% / 100%), it's better to return your unit for a new one instead of embarking on a time consuming self-help DIY path - or RMA, just return it and get a new one - usually 99% of the units are good after tuning out of the box.
     
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    You're absolutely right! :^)

    On the same note, is it possibe to get higher cinebench r15 multicore scores? What laptop or combination of components (laptop of course) would yield that?

    Thank for the help!
     
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    Well, I don't know what you are looking for in that score, are you doing work that uses applications that scale better performance for more cores as well as higher per core performance?

    If you get an Intel 8th generation 6c/12t CPU in a laptop that has power and cooling to handle full performance then you may get more performance.

    Ryzen CPU's can give you 8c / 16t in a couple of laptops now - there is a Helios 500 Ryzen 1700x + Vega 56 model, here's the discussion thread:

    Acer Preditor (Vega 56+Ryzen 2) Helios 500
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/acer-preditor-vega-56-ryzen-2-helios-500.817796/

    Asus has the GL702ZC with the 1st generation Ryzen 1700 + RX 580, so far no word on the upgraded Ryzen 2700 + Vega 56 model from Asus, here are some threads:

    Asus ROG GL702ZC owners lounge
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/asus-rog-gl702zc-owners-lounge.809882/

    Not as active now, but there are lots of posts to catch up with here:

    Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC / G702ZC / S7ZC with Ryzen 7 1700 8-core CPU and a Radeon RX580 GPU
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...700-8-core-cpu-and-a-radeon-rx580-gpu.805386/

    If Asus changes the model number there will likely be a new thread for that new model, so be on the look out for it.
     
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    You're a God Send :^) Thank You so much!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Core i9 Done Right! - Acer Helios 500
    Dave Lee
    Review of the Acer Predator Helios 500. The most powerful gaming laptop from Acer. With an overclockable i9 - 8950HK, GTX 1070 and up to 64 gigs RAM, the Helios 500 delivers some crazy performance. This is one of the best performing laptops for the price. Excellent thermal performance with easily upgraded hardware. Acer did a fantastic job on this. It's not as durable as an Alienware device but it will be cheaper and lighter with awesome performance.
     
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    Blast it @hmscott stop beating me to the punch on videos. ;)

    This does look like a promising laptop. And honestly Acer has been doing so well on design and thermal management lately. I have the Triton 700 and it runs about the same temps as the 1070 Max-Q laptops that have come out in last few months and it runs a 1080 Max-Q. So long story short if they can keep a 18.9mm thick laptop cool and reasonably quiet then this beast is gonna be an excellent machine. And pretty reasonable at $2000.
     
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    Acer Predator Helios 500 Thermal Testing - Undervolting and Overclocking
    Jarrod'sTech
    Published on Aug 28, 2018
    The Acer Predator Helios 500 gaming laptop has some powerful specs, but how hot does it get and is there any throttling that affects performance? I’ve tested the i7-8750H and Nvidia 1070 configuration, although it’s also available with the overclockable i9-8950HK or AMD Ryzen with Vega graphics. We’ll also see how performance changes with GPU overclocking and CPU undervolting with some game benchmarks.
     
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    Acer Helios Predator 500 - Review
    Digital Trends
    Published on Sep 4, 2018
    The Predator Helios 500 is a machine that calls to gamers. With a high refresh rate display, overclockable hardware, and great gaming performance, the Helios 500 pulls no punches.
     
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