Thanks very much for your input, the reason I was bent on the Thinkpads was for their outstanding durability. One of my friends has had a Thinkpad for about three years with zero problems. One day he placed his computer on his bed near an open window (with no screen [xx(]); well apparently some time later his dog came into his room, got on the bed, and knocked the Thinkpad out of the second story window. When he saw it lying in his yard he was horrified, but he took it upstairs, turned it on and it worked fine. That sold me on the IBM's. The Compaq Presario has a lot more features for just a little more money (well, at least until the rebates come in [8D]), thanks for showing me. My question is about their reliabilty; how will it hold up? I'm always skeptical of cheaper new items, my first desktop was a Toshiba, and I will never buy a Toshiba product again. So let me know how you feel about the Compaq, thanks again!