580m vs 6990m Benches

Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Shaden, Jul 12, 2011.

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  1. harmattan

    harmattan Notebook Evangelist

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    Haven't we been through this since 1999? DO NOT EVER rely on company-issued benchmarks for an accurate representation of performance. Biased game selection, generous/misleading graph scale, omitted disclaimers etc.

    You can't blame ATI or nVidia from wanting to show their product in the best light respective to competition and having a pretty chart for the press, but I normally don't even waste my time looking at these. Respected publications and, better yet, reports from actual users (although at times biased) -- this is what matters.
     
  2. pixelcloak

    pixelcloak Notebook Guru

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    Absolutely agree with harmattan. Its all PR smoke and mirrors until we can get some 3rd party/user reports.
     
  3. Pearson Park

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    How long does it normally take from first release to 3rd party benches?
     
  4. SaosinEngaged

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    You know, I'm pretty much an Nvidia fan, but the fact that AMD just launched a card that competes so closely to the 580m and is about half the price leaves me scratching my head.

    I prefer Nvidia drivers and features, but not for double the money of an equal AMD card. Really, what are they doing???

    I was under the impression the 580m would be superior to the 6990m, but that hardly seems to be the case. All the more reason Nvidia's pricing strategy is leaving me baffled.

    I've defended Nvidia on many instances, but after seeing how good the 6990m will be for half the price, I just have no logical defense for Nvidia this time.

    It seems less and less like you're paying for a premium card and more and more like you're paying into corporate greed.

    Even though many say the 6970m and 485m traded blows, the 485m was definitively faster in most of the games that I care about, so to me, it was a faster card. This is a whole 'nother can of worms.
     
  5. TraptPatriot

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    From what I can remember, the 485M was seen as the better card, even when both came out. It wasn't as close or AMD is better race as this one is.
     
  6. Shaden

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    Soasin I have seen your defenses and sometimes wondered how grounded they were or how fanboi they were, we have even sparred a couple times, in this case, I think you are pretty dead on.

    I am not a fanboi of either ... In fact I have never owned an AMD/ATI card, when I first was shopping for laptops, I was blindly looking for something with the 485gtx ... and almost bought Sager, but was holding out because Eric G said the 485 was coming to alienware ... I didn't even consider the 6970 ... but there is no question about 6990 vs 580 for me ... even though I like 3d as well ... I am STOKED to be getting the 6990s. I can't imagine why anyone would get the 580m at this point ...

    Thanks for being honest and logical. There are still people clinging to fanboism over this ... "you get what you pay for" One of them recently wrote ...

    For many people its not an issue, we have experience and knowledge so we can make our own decisions, but we also have a lot of people coming here for guidance and advice ... and the fact that people respond to their inquiries with utter crap about drivers(although to some extent this can be a preference), physix, or with blind claims that Nvidia will be faster ... does a real hinderance to them and this community.

    So thanks.
     
  7. MaynardLD50

    MaynardLD50 Notebook Consultant

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    Oh people just realized that Nvidia is Nvidia? Cool!

    I have 8 Nvidia Cards from previous Desktop builds, felt exactly like Saosin, and NEVER thought about defecting to team RED. This all changed when the 5000 series came out. I waited and waited and waited for the GTX480, FINALLY it launched and I was SURE that Nvidia was back in action and I could finally replace my crappy 9600GT SLI config. Being fiscally cautious I waited until the reviews starting showing up. Tom's Hardware called it "Big disappointment", Anand "We're not sure what Nvidia is thinking", and I'm left wonder what the heck? 1 Month later our company has a contest to win a 40,000 points that we can use on an internal Amazon site. I win the contest and decide, well I guess I'll just get two of these 5970's and CFX them. The performance was AMAZING and at a fraction of the pathetic Nvidia offering. I still use those two cards to this day.

    Fast forward to about March of this year and I thought "Well I'm going to build a second system for my Loft upstairs and maybe I'll check out the GTX580 for the heck of if." I have a Acer G24HDz monitor that I bought for the sole purpose of the 120Hz refresh rate making games look amazing when running them that fast. I go out and buy 2 GTX580's and a Nvidia 3D Surround headset and I'm giddy again because I'm coming back to Nvidia. I get the machine up and running and I'm extremely excited because maybe this will redeem Nvidia for me. Blue screen. ! Boot, Blue screen. Pull out one card, Boot Blue screen. Figured I must have 2 bad cards so I go back exchange them and get home and try them. Get into windows update with the newest set of drivers and it FRIES ONE OF THE CARDS! Literal smoke coming out of the fan and it was shot. Most people would abandon them at this point, but I took out the bad card, made sure everything else was ok, and I booted and tried out the 3D. Not only was it completely gimmicky, the 3D was very buggy in most games. The next day I returned everything and I haven't looked back since.

    ATI releases Driver updates 1 time monthly and CAP profiles, for us CFX, usually every month. They have listened and corrected almost EVERYTHING that Tom's Hardware, Hardware Heaven, Anandtech, have complained about. They have beaten Nvidia at their own game in almost every aspect of the game, Drivers, CrossFire Destroys Nvidia in a Price per performance range, and last but not least they do it for a fraction of the cost. OH and you don't have to have a thermal power station powering your computer to run it.

    The only reason I can see anyone crazy/dumb enough to stick with Nvidia is nostalgia from back in the day. I remember my first VooDoo 2 card for lords sake! I'm sorry there is NO arguement you can make that will justify buying Nvidia over ATI currently for any system besides 3D.

    Sorry for the TL;DR post.
     
  8. Nicholaus.rossi

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    Tessellation performance is what will really set the two cards apart. The Barts XT architecture that the 6990m was built on only has 1 Tessellation unit, while the 580m appears to have 8 (if related to the 560ti as previously stated). I can speak from experience that the Fermi lineup does an amazing job with Tessellation. My friend's desktop is an i7 950@4ghz with a GTX480, and my M18x walks all over his scores except for one category: Tessellation. When set to extreme Tessellation settings in Unigine 2.5, I beat him by about 2FPS. When Tessellation is on normal, I beat him by 15FPS.

    With many hot DX11 titles on the horizon, (SWTOR :O) I'd be hard-pressed to choose AMD over the green machine.
     
  9. Nigel8600

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    Wow, that is great to know. I really hope dell doesn't cancel my free 580 order now. :) I didnt really care before, but now...................
     
  10. TraptPatriot

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    Haha I remember those cards too. I still remember my father buying a computer way back in the day, had to be 94-95. Don't remember exactly, but had like 2MB of RAM and we upgraded to 4MB and saw huge performance gains. Ahhh old tech.
     
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