3 Choices of laptop + understanding what SSD to purchase

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  1. Pullaggro

    Pullaggro Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi,

    I bought a custom gaming laptop 4 years ago so am in need of a new one.
    So far I have 3 choices:

    https://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Tracer-RTX-15-Slim-Gaming-Laptop

    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/form-view/recoil-III-gtx-15/Recoil-II-Extreme/

    https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/custom/gaming/form-factors#anc

    My first question is about the 3rd link:

    There's two options; the 3XS Performance GL 1650 or the 3XS Vengeance GL 1060. I'm wondering why the GL1060 is more expensive when the GL1650 has an i7 9750H processor? Doesn't the 9th Gen processor make it quite superior? I understand that the graphics card is better in the GL1060 but I figured a 9th Gen processor is extremely expensive since it's very new and only in high end laptops?

    My second question is about the first two links; My current laptop is from PC Specialist so i've linked one from there, but out of these first two links i'm guessing the Tracer RTX is better because it has a RTX 2060 graphics card? These laptops are the same price so i'm thinking out of all the options the RTX is Tracer RTX is the best?

    Finally just one question on the hard drive; these are all custom made laptops so I can pick the hard drive/SSD. What is the best option? 1 large SSD? 1 Small SSD and a large hard drive? How do you know what is the best to pick in terms of the hard drive.

    Many thanks for any and all help!
     
  2. rlk

    rlk Notebook Evangelist

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    Well, the GL1060 has a 144Hz screen vs. the 60Hz screen in the 1650, which might give you better game play. It's also "VR-ready", whatever that means.

    The 9750H isn't a lot faster than the 8750H; a lot of games are GPU-limited, so if that's your use case, you might be better off investing in a faster GPU.
     
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    Pullaggro Notebook Enthusiast

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    Ahh I see. I'm not really hardcore gaming right now anyway, I play League and that's the only game I run at the moment, I still want a high end system in case I do game but mainly so that I can run all my applications at the same time. I always have two sets of chrome/slack/onenote/League running so don't want things to slow down.
    I just assumed the 9th Gen processor would be a huge selling point, but guess not. So my understanding is that the cyberpowersystem laptop is the best option so far then?
     
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    Unless you're playing demanding games, I'd go for the 1650 rather than the 1060. The 9750 should be faster than the 8750 -- not astoundlingly so, but there will probably be some difference -- not to mention the price difference.

    If you're going to be playing demanding games, then maybe you'd prefer the GL1060 (perhaps one of the gamers here will jump in) due to the (possibly) better GPU and the higher refresh rate screen. But you mentioned replacing a custom gaming rig.
     
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    rlk Notebook Evangelist

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    As for HDD vs. SSD: no one answer to that. An SSD is much faster, hands down, but it is more expensive. How much data/apps are you going to need?

    Unless you're starting off with a huge amount of data, or you're going to continuously stream a lot of data through it, such as a surveillance application where you're going to be continuously rotating data through it (where the SSD's lifetime would be shortened), I'd say offhand start with a midsize M.2 SSD (500GB, maybe), and if/when you find your data needs grow, you can later add an HDD or SSD. There are no HDDs bigger than 2TB right now (and I suspect there won't ever be; that has been the limit for quite a few years now for 7mm 2.5"), but there are already SSDs up to 7.68TB, which are admittedly extremely expensive, but they will come down in price I expect. Don't worry if the specs say the HDD is limited to 1TB; it isn't.

    Differences between HDDs are for the most part negligible. All of the 2TB laptop drives seem to be shingled magnetic recording, which is slow to write to. But by the time you need more space, it's altogether possible that SSD's will be cheap enough that it won't matter. You can currently get a 2.5" 2TB SATA SSD for around $200 in the US, which is a little more than double the price of a mechanical hard drive but a lot faster.
     
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    Hi, thank you for your advice!

    From what it seems the GPU is the most important part from the 3 links i've sent I think the cyber power system is the best as it has the best GPU. I might upgrade to 32gb ram just because it's not too expensive.

    On the HDD/SDD note; for some reason i thought there is some sort of benefit of having 2 drives, i.e. one SSD for bootup then another hard drive for your main data? If that's not the case then i'm guessing just the 500gb SSD to start is fine and later if i need to I can add another HDD for memory.

    Also one very minor and probably silly question; on the Cyberpowersystem website, there's two options for your SSD. One is the SSD which already has the 500GB WD Blue 2.5" SSD - 560MB/s Read SSD included in price, and there's also a M.2 SSD Drive option which doesn't have anything selected. These are the exact same things right? It's just the M2 SSD slot is a second SSD slot? (or should I unselect the SSD option and add my SSD to the M2 SSD slot....)

    Thanks again!
     
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    Actually a very good question indeed, and not a minor one at all.

    M.2 slots are about 1 inch wide and 3 inches long (more precisely, they're 22mm wide and 80mm long, and even more precisely, there are some other lengths, but the vast majority of them are M.2 2280, which have the dimensions listed). They cannot take an HDD or an SSD bigger than 2TB (currently; that will presumably change). That Cyberpower system has 2 M.2 slots and 1 2.5" bay.

    I would put the base drive in the first M.2 slot. That will push up your price slightly. You could go with an NVMe drive also, which is faster but more expensive (go with the WD Blue SN500 if you do; the Intel 660p is slightly cheaper but considerably slower). Given the very small difference in price, I think I'd go with the NVMe here. I don't think I'd bother with the WD Black; I doubt the extra performance will help you.

    That will give you maximum flexibility later.
     
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    Once again thanks a lot for your help! I've learnt a lot about how to pick my system now and I think i'm ready to buy.

    So i've changed my choice in laptop (and also impulsively up'ed my budget) so now I think i'm going to get this:
    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/proteusVI-rtx-15/

    It has a RTX 2070 GPU which is amazing and the main reason i'm picking this; i've made additions to this, so at the moment i've bumped it up to 32gb of ram (could probably suffice with 16gb?) and included in price as the storage device is a 120gb Sata drive so i'm additionally adding a 500gb Samsung NVMe into the M2 SSD drive.

    Hopefully that seems like a good build to last me a few years so a final approval before purchase would be fantastic :)
     
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    Go with the 32GB of RAM.

    This system is less flexible storage-wise because of only one M.2 slot; just be aware that you won't be able to add a second M.2 (NVMe) later. The Samsung 970 EVO Plus is a nice drive, but honestly I think it's overkill performance-wise; a lower end NVMe (just avoid the Intel 660p IMO) should do just fine. And get rid of that silly 120GB SATA drive; it's cheap but you don't need it.

    If you really want that RTX 2070, fine, but again, think about what that will really do for you vs. one of the lower end ones.
     
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    Thanks again for the insight. True about the GPU I guess for my purposes I don't really need something that intense. I did have a second option mainly because of the slim design of the laptop which was really appealing:
    https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/recoil-III-rtx-15/

    For the sameish price I can get an 9th Gen CPU and this laptop also offers a 2nd M2 Slot but will have an RTX 2060 GPU. I'm stuck with the 120GB Sata on both systems regardless it seems but it's included in the price so I guess it doesn't matter. Do you think this might be a better set-up?
     
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