2016 and Beyond: What are we missing in laptops/notebooks?

Discussion in 'Notebook Cosmetic Modifications and Custom Builds' started by Mr. Fox, Dec 1, 2015.

  1. Jarhead

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    Not all thick laptops handle heat well (and hell, the Alienware 51M will smoke / catch fire), but it’s certainly easier to make a properly-cooling laptop when you’re not worrying over a mere few millimeters.
     
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    inperfectdarkness Notebook Evangelist

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    FACT.

    Still though, we're talking about AW, and imho, that brand stopped being good when dell bought it.

    The only way i can keep my Gigabyte P35x from overheating during gameplay is to manually turn the fans up to full blast--and even then, it will choke on trying to play new games at 4k. Oh it can run them fine...for a few minutes. But then heat catches up. Issues I never had with my MSI GT60
     
  3. Papusan

    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Almost a year on from its release and the Dell XPS 15 9570 is still suffering from countless issues...
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xps-15-9570-owners-thread.817008/page-266#post-10904843

    Why fix the current (EOL) XPS models as the new models is soon ready for release?
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xps-15-9570-owners-thread.817008/page-266#post-10904862
     
  4. TSE

    TSE Notebook Deity

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    A lot of these notebook manufacturers' QC is pretty poor, and obviously they've taken their sweet time with fixing these issues. I have a 9570, and I understand what I bought. I agree with you. But this still isn't indicative of how objectively bad the situation is. What percentage of them have these problems? Nobody really knows except for Dell. Of course people are going to complain online. For every 100 people that complain about their problems, how many will leave a positive review? 1? 2? 5 maybe? If it was really as bad as you guys are saying, there would be a lawyer hopping all over for the $$$ in terms of opening up a class-action lawsuit.

    And really, to call a whole product trash and to espouse the notion that all thin-and-light 15" laptops are trash is just ignorant. Not everyone wants a 8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life, and are more than willing to sacrifice a little bit of the advertised processor speed because of poor cooling for a sweet-spot of portability AND performance.
     
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    Papusan JOKEBOOKs Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on FILTHY

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    Flaws with the products ain't the same as notebook manufacturers' QC (quality control) https://www.dell.com/community/Inspiron/Dell-G3-3579-High-Dpc-latency-Acpi-sys-2700ms/m-p/7235833#M47478/jump-to/first-unread-message?ref=lith_popular

    And not all notebook manufacturers launch a product then change the specs afterwards (after the review of the products done by tech websites). The coming buyers don't get what they have seen from review sites.
     
  6. TSE

    TSE Notebook Deity

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    Again, a thread with two replies is not proof of anything. If 100% of users had this issue, there would be action taken. Do you know how much percentage of these computers are giving consumers problems? Nobody knows and online complaints are not valid bodies of data; it wouldn't work in any objective study. Your sources are tending to be subjective.

    Dell lowering the throttling headroom is what they determined to be the best case for their computers. They aren't making money from doing that. That's what they deemed as the best path forward for this laptop. Consumers should be aware, and determine whether they want to purchase a product where the company wants to play it safe with the thermals of a computer at the sacrifice of performance. That's where I agree with you. I'm not arguing with you there. My point is: to call a whole product trash and to espouse the notion that all thin-and-light 15" laptops are trash is just ignorant. Not everyone wants a 8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life, and are more than willing to sacrifice a little bit of the advertised processor speed because of poor cooling for a sweet-spot of portability AND performance.
     
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    So you're implying that 0% of any of these laptops have issues whatsoever? Or that if 99% of them had problems, we shouldn't expect people to complain about them?

    Customers *should be aware* sure, but most people don't spend the time to sit down and research these things in-depth and they end up buying whatever laptop has the best marketing appeal to them, rather than based on whatever merits the machine has. And to be frank, considering how little attention people pay to more important purchases (like cars or homes/apartments) or important non-purchases (voting, mainly), I can't exactly be surprised that people are too lazy to bother looking beyond the marketing hype or positive reviews.

    You can have a thin and light laptop that isn't trash (Acer Swift 3 is a decent example, as is the Lenovo Thinkpad T480s), but a lot of them *are trash*. People want the OEMs to shove in i7 quad/hex cores and something higher end than a MX150 and expect it to somehow give Newton the bird and to defy any sort of thermodynamics and perform as the spec sheet says they should perform, which frankly is delusional. And to be honest, for a lot of these people, where the most intensive thing they'll likely do with the laptop is watch Youtube or spam out Chrome tabs, lower-end hardware that's more appropriate for these machines would still be more than powerful enough for their needs *and* would actually work properly in something like the XPS. But no, people want to brag about their on-paper specs and play the "MUH BIG NUMBERS" game, while being ignorant/arrogant of the fact that these things don't have the performance they say they do. And honestly, you don't need an "8 pound monster with 2 hours of battery life" to get a decent, small gaming rig; the TongFang rebrands (such as the Eluk Mech 15 G2) is something like 4-5 pounds and gets about 4-5 hours of battery life with light usage, just as one example.

    It's fine if someone still wants to buy these things despite the flaws. Their money, they can spend it as the please. But to say that they're actually good laptops flies in the face of reality.
     
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    TSE Notebook Deity

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    I never said that 0% of these laptops have problems, or that if 99%, not 100% had problems, people shouldn't complain. I never said that - my point is using a few threads on the internet with people complaining of issues is not objective data at all. Especially to call entire lineup market segments and product lines "trash". There are many, many, many people perfectly happy with the latest 15" XPS, Aero 15x, Razer Blade, and whatever thin-and-light performance computer you want to name. People that are satisfied with their products tend to not go on internet forums or make articles on issues they are experiencing. You think it's worth it to ultrabookreview or whatever to write an article titled "Current Dell XPS's are great and reliable!" No, of course not. Nobody would read that nor care. Instead they make an article based on a small, vocal group of users on the internet that are experiencing similar issues for an article. It's ok to write about that, but it's not right to call that objective data by them or you guys.

    And come on, the Swift 3 and Thinkpad T480s is not in the same class laptop as we are discussing. MX150s and U processors is ultrabook performance. That's not even in the discussion. We are talking about the class of thin-and-light 15" notebooks with a step above in performance. H processors, 1050/1650 and up, thin, and around 4.5 pounds or less. And it's funny. You are saying these notebooks shouldn't exist, or people are foolish for purchasing one. You claim that only people that brag about "MUH BIG NUMBERS" would buy something like this. Hilarious. That's why the thin-and-light PowerBook / MacBook Pro has been so wildly successful and all other manufacturers copy Apple's trend. And why the Dell XPS lineup is one of the most recognizable PC lineups. These computers are wildly popular. I think you are the one really only caring about "MUH BIG NUMBERS" because YOU are the one complaining that the processors throttle occasionally - but still remaining much more powerful than U processors, when the computer is maxed out. You are the only complaining about small loss in percentage of performance with no regards to any other factor, like design, portability, or usability.

    It's quite frankly narcissistic to think that just because you disagree with how people use their laptop or look for in a laptop, it's foolish for them to buy it (even though they can do what they want with their money).
     
  9. Jarhead

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    Well, when I buy laptops, one of my top concerns is being able to perform as they should, be it a 8250U and MX150 or an 8750H and 2070, etc. All because people either are ignorant or arrogant about performance loss due to throttling or build quality issues doesn't really say much about what I should look for or what I should recommend people to buy. Neither does it mean that they are good laptops; again, why would someone who's clueless about the issues raise any sort of complaint online if they don't know any better? And it's not like people don't just immediately stop buying bad products after they've been shown to be bad (people still buy current Macbook Pros despite the keyboard/display issues, for example), so what's your point?

    There are *some* decent thin gaming laptops, despite what you think I said. The vapor-chamber Blades have decent thermals, so they can actually obtain the performance the spec sheets imply (ignoring the quality control issues), and the 2019 MSI GS65 thermally modified by a decent reseller (GenTech or HID, for example) does acceptably well also. OEMs can make a good thin gaming laptop if they put their minds to it, but that's more expensive than putting out crap and customers don't care anyway, so why bother making something good?

    All because people want to *believe* they're good laptops, doesn't make it so. And call it however you like: those things are still bad buys, but I can't stop someone from spending money on a bad buy. If this offends you in some way, that's your problem. It really shouldn't though... it's *just a laptop*
     
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    I'll just agree to disagree with you. I don't think they are bad buys. A lot of people don't. But a lot of people do, too. You have a lot of valid points, hope you can see what I'm saying as well. We can agree to disagree, can't we? :)
     
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