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2013 Ativ Book 9 13.3" Ivy Bridge NP900X3E / NP900X3F

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  1. oled

    oled Notebook Evangelist

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    Samsung upgrades their former called Series 9 notebook with a Full HD display. For the first time the device is also available with a 3G/4G LTE Mobile Broadband WWAN modem. Configurations vary by country.


    Similarities
    All models come with a matte 1080p display and 4GB RAM.
    Configurations are available with either i5 or i7 Dual Core Ivy Bridge "U" CPU and a range of 128GB, 256GB or 512GB SDD.


    Differences
    [table="width: 444, class: tablebg, align: left, border: ""]
    [tr]
    [td]Amor II[/td]
    [td]NP900X3E[/td]
    [td]NP900X3F[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]Chassis[/td]
    [td]Aluminium
    same like NP900X3C[/td]
    [td]Magnesium
    - framing now in all black
    - touchpad now frameless
    - .3mm (.01") thicker
    - weights 30g (1.1 oz) less[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]WiFi[/td]
    [td]Intel 6235 Half Mini Card[/td]
    [td]Atheros 946x soldered[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]Battery Life
    Extender
    [/td]
    [td]only trailing "A" models
    (eg NP900X3E-A03UK)[/td]
    [td]no[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]WWAN[/td]
    [td]no[/td]
    [td]only trailing "G" models
    (eg NP900X3F-G01UK)[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]SD Card
    Reader
    [/td]
    [td]yes[/td]
    [td]yes, except WWAN models (*)[/td]
    [/tr]

    [tr]
    [td]Branding[/td]
    [td]Series 9 (NP900X3E-A)

    Ativ Book 9 (NP900X3E-K)[/td]
    [td]Ativ Book 9[/td]
    [/tr]
    [/table]
    * Samsung specs says WWAN models come with SD Card Reader too. The X3F manual however states "optional" for both SD and SIM slot. The picture below indicates it has a SIM Card only slot in place of the SD Card reader.


    Worth mentioning (true for all models)
    - Panel is a BOE05BE - rumored using BOEs own AFFS technology which is similar to IPS
    - SSD 128GB has been reported to be a Lite-On M6M Series
    - SSD 512GB has been reported to be a Samsung PM841 Series
    - RAM runs in single channel only


    Upgradability
    RAM is soldered
    SSD comes as mSATA card
    WiFi comes as Half Mini Card or soldered (see table above)
    WWAN is soldered.

    There are no empty slots whatsoever. Expansion cards are replaceable.


    Alternative OS driver support
    As SW Update only lists drivers for Windows 8, I recommend downloading up to date device drivers directly from the respective manufacturer. Install them first, then for Samsung related SABI functionality like Fn keys you will need:

    Win 7: Easy Settings 1.1.1.4 from NP900X3C*
    XP: Easy Display Manager 3.2.7.4 from NP900X3A (only 32bit supported)*
    Linux: kernel ≥ 3.10*
    (*) tested on NP900X3E-A


    Reviews
    NP900X3E - notebookreview.com
    NP900X3E - MobileTechReview.com


    Useful forum Information
    Next Samsung Series 9 Release
    Series 9 Owners: Third party mSATA upgrades
    Series 9 Accessories
    Is dual channel ram a joke?
    Finding Easy Setting/Battery Life Extender?
    Horizontal lines / flickering screen using old drivers
    Linux ambient light sensor - ALS


    Internals
    NP900X3E-A03UK - thanks to james.shannon
    x3e_int.jpg

    NP900X3F-G01DE (LTE version)
    int_X3F.jpg


    Evolution
    NP900X3A First appearance of ultra sleek Amor
    NP900X3B New Chassis Amor2, HD+ panel
    NP900X3C Ivy Bridge
    NP900X3D Budget Sandy Bridge model
    NP900X3E Full HD panel, re-branded as Ativ Book 9 (From X3E-K on )
    NP900X3F Magnesium chassis, soldered Atheros WiFi, WWAN
    NP900X3G Haswell successor, soldered Intel WiFi
    NP900X3K Broadwell successor, QHD+ panel, Atheros WiFi


    Devolution
    Big, fat, heavy, glossy Ativ Book 9 Plus / Lite :eek:
     
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  2. kroskal

    kroskal Notebook Enthusiast

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    How will Lightroom run on the E-model with i5 you think?
    If there is no 13inch matte model with 8gb memory or 15inch with FHD matte screen before middle of August, i'm going for this or the 900x4c with 8gb/i7.
     
  3. go45cvi

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    Is it necessary to have a new thread for every perturbation of the S9? One for each intel tick-tock cycle is sufficient. In regards to this model, it is worth noting some users have reported RAM is single-channel rather than dual-die package which results in poorer graphics performance. Perhaps only noticeable in gaming.
     
  4. oled

    oled Notebook Evangelist

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    The major reason I decided to do so:

    - those models are no longer branded Series 9
    - they have new features like a FHD screen & WWAN option
    - the "next samsung series 9 release" thread which holds most information about these models gets confusing as now even AMD and Haswell is out and as mentioned above there won't be no more "next Samsung Series 9".

    By changing a little bit here and a little bit there Samsung refreshes are very confusing as is there model numbering. I tried to shed some light into those newest and still popping up Ivy Bridge models. Even combining those two models in one thread is a bit confusing as they don't share the same chassis.

    If more users think it is a bad idea to have a separate thread let the mods take it down. In that case I'd be happy to at least add E/F to the C thread title (or add E and keep F seperate?)
    My intention is that people can post and find information in the most convenient way.


    read the opening post
     
  5. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    My initial reaction was that this thread is a duplication but on further reflection I can see the purpose of this thread. Our knowledge about the 3E and 3F is buried in other long threads so getting all the future discussion about these models into one place should be advantageous.

    John
     
  6. go45cvi

    go45cvi Notebook Deity

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    Apologies I missed that. Carry on, it is a nice model otherwise.
     
  7. oled

    oled Notebook Evangelist

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    Surprise!

    WiFi seems to be a soldered Atheros 946x in the NP900X3F-G.
    WWAN seems soldered too (still unknown manufacturer).
    Antennas seem to be still in place between the hinges.
    SIM Slot seems to take place of the SD Card reader.

    Samsung Support says it comes with a Card reader, but the manual states "optional" for both SD Card and SIM slot. I'm currently waiting for permission to post a picture of the motherboard indicating it's SIM only.

    There is no more mentioning of WiDi in the specs, this could indicate that the soldered Atheros 946x is true for all "NP900X3F" models (except on samsung US).

    Do we have any X3F owners yet?


    updated OP
     
  8. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    Samsung's specs for the NP900X3F-G01UK clearly state "LTE, HSPA+" and also indicate that there is a multi-card reader. The same is shown by this etailer listing. Could the card slot have contacts on each side so it can take either a memory card or a SIM card, but not both concurrently.

    Putting WiFi on board would help provide room for a 3G chip. This solution works well in phones and tablets and one can buy the complete phone for the cost of a normal 3G plug-in module for a notebook.

    There are a few at Amazon.co.uk. It appears that Samsung is planning to shift more of the Ivy Bridge models (I expect the cost of the chips from Intel has come down) before discontinuing this chassis.

    John
     
  9. Insane

    Insane Notebook Evangelist

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    I just bought the NP900X3F-K01AU in New Zealand,

    All black/dark blue framing, Atheros wifi, lite-on SSD, frame-less touchpad.

    It's got an SD card reader, don't see any SIM slots. Happy to check anything else out for you, but so far looks like you guys have it covered. I've read reports of less than awesome wifi signal strength, this appears to be true :(


    Got it from here for $1350 NZ

    Probably my first post in maybe 5 years, Asus W5 is still going, but a dinosaur now :)
     
  10. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    There's nothing in the specs to suggest that particular model has 3G. As indicated in the first post, a G in the version number (eg -G01UK) indicates 3G.

    One advantage of the Atheros WiFi is that it doesn't suffer the driver issues of the Intel 6235.

    John
     
  11. oled

    oled Notebook Evangelist

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    I'll probably follow soon to replace my dinosaur too - good ol Core2 Duo :)
    1350 Kiwi Bucks is a pretty neat deal!

    Thanks for the specs!
    Could you further find out panel model number and if the RAM runs in single or dual channel - I think HWInfo64 is capable of figuring that out.

    Does WiFi run more stable with Bluetooth deactivated? How is battery life?

    Hope you enjoy your new machine!
     
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    RAM runs in single channel,
    Panel is the BOE05BE, and is stunning, everything looks rather small though.
    Wifi isn't totally bad, just not as good as my wife's MacBook Air next to me, she's getting 100+mbps and I'm getting between 27-80mbps and seems to jump around a lot.
    Battery life, right now its saying 7h:59 left (96%), have seen it say 10h30. Seems to last at least 5-6 hours while watching YouTube etc, but its early days, have only charged it twice so far

    Am I happy with it, hell yes! Better than the Dell XPS13 I bought my sales manager...... tough call, certainly looks better, cost $650 less too, but isn't as grunty.
     
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    According to Samsung support the modem is a dual band 3G (WCDMA 900/2100 MHz) and triple band 4G (LTE 800/1800/2600 MHz).
    Still no info about manufacturer or 2G (GSM) support.

    That's quite disappointing, especially considering the current Galaxy phone comes with quad band 3G and hexa band 4G.
     
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    You checked your power scheme and made sure your wireless adapter is running at maximum performance, right?
     
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    I was wondering if someone could let me know why the N900X3E-A02US has 9 hours of battery life and the N900X3E-K01US and N900X3F-K01US have 5.8 hours. Thanks
     
  17. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    Check the basis of the battery life benchmark. Samsung seem to have changed their testing method for the new models. Perhaps they then expect the haswell models to show a big improvement.

    John
     
  18. d14b0ll0s

    d14b0ll0s Notebook Guru

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    can you replace the SSD in the X3E without losing warranty and/or Windows licence?
     
  19. Dannemand

    Dannemand Decidedly Moderate Super Moderator

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    Consensus is that you shouldn't have a problem with warranty, as long as you are careful and don't cause visible damage (stripping screws or breaking stuff). One member even described in this post how two different Samsung representatives had confirmed this.

    You Product Key is stored in BIOS, and regardless of whether you clean install Windows, clone the current installation, or use Samsung Recovery to backup your Factory Image to USB and re-build the new drive (which I recommend) it will pick up that Product Key.
     
  20. d14b0ll0s

    d14b0ll0s Notebook Guru

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    That's fantastic, many thanks for the details!
    Now I only need to decide if I want to go with the X3E or the 9+ and - in either scenario - replace the default (128/256GB) drive with 512GB SSD with the support of FDE (PM841 perhaps?). I've never used hardware-based FDE before (only TrueCrypt FDE), but--as it's pre-boot--I believe I shouldn't run into any problems with any of the scenarios you've described.
    So why would you say it's better to have the image restored rather than an unbloated clean install of Win8 with maybe just some Samsung software downloaded and installed? I think I've read a longer post on that here, was it yours, Dannemand? (sorry, but as a long time XDA member I find the lack of such things in the signature/footer confusing here, that is not advertising one's work ;>)
     

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