Hi, im relatively new to this forum, but I own a G1S. I’ve read about it, tweaked it and I love it.
In this thread i've tried to compile an overwiev of the most common problems people face with the G1S and solutions smart people found.
I can not be held responsible if you use this post as a guide for your notebook/computer/desktop/laptop, this is your own risk at all times.
Problems;
Section / Status
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50% CPU performance cut when you recharge on AC power.
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Sound "glitches"/"stutters" when you right click a file.
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Change the sound at bootup. *boooooom*.
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Bloatware/preinstalled crap programs you do not need.
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Windows XP on G1S! + Drivers.
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4 Gb ram on G1S.
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Drivers for Vistax32.
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Linux/Ubuntu on G1S.
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Underclocking UC
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Overclocking OC, benchmarks and further proof of the "stuttering" issue and how to avoid it.
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Heat Problem, reduced
Extra Info/Recomendations; (at the bottom of the post)
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What Anti Virus to choose and why.
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Tweak your Vista! -
URL i suggest reading this one!
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Handy and Fancy pages with benchmark and review of G1S
Solutions;
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Asus is working on bios 204. - source - adolfotregosa.
Here is a link that tested how big the loss is at most battery levels:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
Please do as me and call Asus, explain the problem and complain about it! - numbers in link underneath.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=148940
Now here is a solution i got from "adolfotregosa" and it works! (no creds to asus tho!).
This is the link to the original thread made by the above mentioned
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=169410
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Guys , test this please , it's working here !!!! USING RMCLOCK 2.30 remove those options, choose mobile cpu, apply and test it
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Below is benchmarks on the difference between having Thermal Monitor enabled or disabled during recharge.
PLUGGED IN RECHARGING FROM 80%, 167.45 driver
Ok here is some results for how the score when the pc is recharging with and without "enabled thermal monitor". The theory is that with the default settings (enabled) the CPU should loose performance compared to when thermal monitor is not enabled while recharging.
BEFORE TEST, same OC as above, 80% battery, RECHARGING
AFTER TEST, charged to 85% battery. *NOTE* CPU SCORE 1702! when it was full battery it scored 2079!
OK Here is the results when Thermal Monitor is DISABLED.
BEFORE TEST, same OC as above, 80% battery, RECHARGING, DISABLED THERMAL MONITOR
AFTER TEST, charged to 83% battery. *NOTE* CPU SCORE 2058! This proves that by disabling the thermal monitor when your battery is recharging the CPU will NOT lose any performance. The battery has also recharged 2% less then when thermal monitor was enabled, this indicates that the CPU has had priority instead of recharging the battery.
So we can conclude for now that you loose an important amount of performance when your battery is below 90% and recharging. The CPU score went from 2079 to 1702 when it was recharging. By Disabling Thermal Monitor it did however climb back up to 2058 CPU score. The battery recharged less and the temperature increased 2-3c. I also want you to notice that the CPU score is THE ONLY score that varies when the laptop was plugged in with full battery and when it was recharging, the other 2 scores where more or less the same! This proves that it is the CPU that loses performance and NOT the GPU when you recharge your notebook.
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Uninstall Asus Data Security Manager. This removes all stuttering 100%.
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Enter Bios (hit F2), look for “Post Sound” and disable it.
-=4=- Thanks to Commodore64
1. Symantic AV Suite -Not a bad program but there are tons of better, that
are less system intensive;
See Section Below For Comparisons Betwen Different AV!
NOD 32 Is a
Very good option
http://www.eset.com/download/index.php
2. ASUS LiveUpdate - Definitly not required
3. InstaFun -Definitly not required
4. Net4Switch - Definitly not needed
5. NBprobe -Shows Cpu temps, etc. There are alot better programs
6. Mult****** Up to you, I see no improvement with it installed
7. Splendid - Up to you, Mine works better w/out at 0gamma 50/50
8. Data security Manager -Up to you
-=5=- Windows XP on G1S With Drivers!
This link is also usefull
http://asusg1s.wikidot.com/
Its easy. Worst case scenario is you have to use your Asus Recovery CD provided. Follow the steps below.
Method 1 thanks to NilsG
Xp_Pro w. SP2 (32bit - english) .iso to be found @
http://www.ocshoot.no/binaries/AsusG1S/
with most of the drivers needed to get XP_pro installed.
You WILL off course need XP_Pro product key in order to install this release.
I have installed XP on 3 G1S with no problems whatsoever.
This links to a Thread that contains all the drivers you need. If you have low speed try a mirror or the 2nd link under.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YOVP7BKX
http://files.filefront.com/ASUS+G1S+.../fileinfo.html
Mirror1:
http://frankiegravato.com/drivers/As...ver%20Pack.zip
NOTE: Install the chipset and ACPI drivers first
After you have the chipset and ACPI drivers installed and have rebooted, install the audio drivers. Once the audio driver installation is complete, do not reboot. Go to:
Control Panel (Classic View) -> System -> Hardware Tab -> Device Manager
In the Device Manager, under "System Devices", select "PCI Device" as shown:
http://nsa.f28.us/G1S/Audio_DeviceManager.png
Let Windows automatically install drivers for it. Reboot and your audio will work.
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Adolfotregosa; i have a thing to add to your list. Wireless console does not deactivate the wireless radio on xp, only on vista
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How to fix VgaSave on XP with 3-4gb ram
If u updated ur G1S with 3-4gb ram u propably cant install GPU/VGA drivers cuz XP uses some weird VgaSave driver.
Solution: run everest, on chipset tab find northbridge and southbridge, on one of them at the bottom here are 5 ICH8 Root Ports.
Propably 2 of them are empty but in hardware manager they r using resources and they are causing conflict with GPU/VGA.
Just disable them in Hardware Manager and XP should detect new VGA hardware after restart, now u can easily install your fresh moded drivers for nvidia from laptopvideo2go.com ;]
If you didn't understand that; open up your laptop center panel, remove 1 of the chips with ram. Now you should only have 2 GB left and install will work fine. If this don't work and you didn't understand the above, seek help from Yoda.
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Install SP1 this will enable WEI to "see" 4 GB, the pc will still only use 3GB if you go to task manager you can see it max has 3GB.
PAE mode explained below is supposed to work, but ive never managed to get it to work in Vista, maybe its a XP thing... idk... i've given up getting 4gb working on 32.bit system, get 64 bit if you want more then 3GB.
This is Microsoft's explenation READ!;
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929580/en-us
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A 32-bit operating system can address memory that is relocated above the 4 GB boundary if the following conditions are true:
• The computer is in Physical Address Extension (PAE) mode.
• The computer has 4 GB of RAM.
In this case, the operating system correctly reports how much memory is installed.
Additionally, some x64-based operating systems can address up to 2 terabytes (TB) of RAM.
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Get Vistax64 and it should work. If not, buy 4 gb, it boosted my laptops performance by 2-300 points compared to other G1S even if it just utilize 3GB.
Run Vista in PAE mode described in link above and it should work with 4GB ram! To enable PAE mode, you have to add PAE to the boot entry in the BCD file. Open an elevated command prompt, hit Windows button + R and type in "cmd". Type BCDEDIT /SET PAE ForceEnable.
I will test this soon.
A 32 bit system can max make ((2^32)-1)= 429.496.725. This is the maximum number of Unique adresses a x32-bit system can make. Every bit in the Ram chip needs one adress. If you look at the number it's just around 4 GB.
On a 64 bit sytem you will however be able to support up to ((2^64)-1)=1844.6744.0737.0955.1615 As you can see from this calculation the x64 got a very big potential for ram and removes all limits the 32bit has. This is as Microsoft say in the Quote;
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x64-based operating systems can address up to 2 terabytes (TB)
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It also boost security as you can make even more combinations in 64 bit.
If you enable PAE and your computer rebots and can no longer boot windows. Enter safe (F8) mode which disables PAE, type cmd and disable the PAE. I believe it should be the same command, but with one difference BCEDIT /SET PAE Disable (not tested!!)
Here is the Explenation of HOW they did it;
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system...AE/pae_os.mspx
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Microsoft; Addressing physical memory above 4 GB requires more than the 32 bits of address offered by the standard operating mode of Intel (32-bit) processors. To this end, Intel introduced the 36-bit physical addressing mode called PAE, starting with the Intel Pentium Pro processor.
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Microsoft;
PSE Mode
IA-32 supports two methods to access memory above 4 GB (32 bits). PSE (Page Size Extension) was the first method, which shipped with the Pentium II. This method offers a compatibility advantage because it kept the PTE (page table entry) size of 4 bytes. However, the only practical implementation of this is through a driver. This approach suffers from significant performance limitations, due to a buffer copy operation necessary for reading and writing above 4 GB. PSE mode is used in the PSE 36 RAM disk usage model.
PSE uses a standard 1K directory and no page tables to extend the page size 4-MB (eliminating one level of indirection for that mode). The Page Directory Entries (PDE) contains 14 bits of address, and when combined with the 22-bit byte index, yields the 36 bits of extended physical address. Both 4-KB and 4-MB pages are simultaneously supported below 4 GB, with the 4-KB pages supported in the standard way.
Note that pages located above 4 GB must use PSE mode (with 4-MB page sizes).
PAE Mode
PAE is the second method supported to access memory above 4 GB; this method has been widely implemented. PAE maps up to 64 GB of physical memory into a 32-bit (4 GB) virtual address space using either 4-KB or 2-MB pages. The Page directories and the page tables are extended to 8 byte formats, allowing the extension of the base addresses of page tables and page frames to 24 bits (from 20 bits). This is where the extra four bits are introduced to complete the 36-bit physical address.
Windows supports PAE with 4-KB pages. PAE also supports a mode where 2-MB pages are supported. Many of the UNIX operating systems rely on the 2 MB-page mode. The address translation is done without the use of page tables (the PDE supplies the page frame address directly).
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Here is Ram that fits the G1S; (i got 2 of these
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https://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=325699
Crucial DDR2 SO-DIMM 2048MB CL5 Non-ECC, 1.8V, 256Mx64, 200p DDR2 PC2-5300
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For those who needs the Drivers for VISTAx32; (sry for not providing a pack, but this link is always updated!)
http://support.asus.com/download/dow...Language=en-us
Select;
-Notebook
-G1 Series
-G1S
Press Search. This is ASUS official drivers!
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Get your LED drivers at the following link, thanks to "junkalam"
[url]http://lapsus.berlios.de/asus_oled.html[url]
Provided is link for Ubuntu, ubuntu is linux based, on G1S
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479158&page=2
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had to follow instructions to get in the livecd and what to do after the install (it's important otherwise it won't boot correctly). Then had to run in safe graphics mode because the nv driver doesn't support the graphics card for that i'll probably have to install ENVY and the latest drivers.
Had pretty much everything working with a couple big exceptions, ethernet adaptor (i think i will need to modprobe r8169, this is the module i use in Gentoo and it must be the same for Ubuntu) and the wireless 4965 adaptor, which i wasn't expecting to work out of the box because it will either need the lastest iwlwifi, iwlwifi-ucode and mac80211 releases that are pretty recent and unstable (at least with NetworkManager) or ndiswrapper to install windows drivers.
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Link to
ENVY:
http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
post for iwlwifi:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2873289
post for ndiswrapper:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wi..._Driver/Fiesty
Also read this link if you decide to install Linux based OS
http://forum.notebookreview.com/arch...?t-130905.html
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Underclocking, UC, can be as usefull as the more popular Overclocking, OC. UC will lower the temperature in your laptop, but also perform almost as good as if it was running full voltage.
Thanks to "Miyabina" for providing all the info/guide.
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was able to undervolt my G1S a full .2volts just fine so far. I use RMClock
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Here is also a download link for RMclock;
http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml
while testing on the "Settings" page make sure that "Run at Windows Startup" is *not* selected. (This will help if you undervolt too much for your 11x multipler setting, if you do your computer might not start properly).
Then on the "Management" page for the "P-States transitions method" allow it to do direct multi-step transitions. For the "CPU defaults selection" have it do the CPU-defined default FID/VID. I have it so it alerts me if the CPU overheats as well.
Now to the fun part.
I have no idea how other models/laptops work but I can't make my minimum voltage any lower, so I don't even play with that.
For the Max Voltage...
In the "Profiles" page, I have all four drop-down boxes on "Maximal Performance" (you will see why in a second). Now below that is a list of FIDs and VIDs listed. Click the very last one. Then below the list should be a VID Select drop down box. I believe the safest way is to go about 2 or 3 entries lower at a time when testing. (ie: Prime95 or gaming)
Now on the "Maximal Perfomance" page, I have "Use P-State Transitions (PST) check box selected for both AC and Battery. For AC I have the 11x FID selected. For Battery I have the 8x VID selected.
So when Plugged in my processor will either be in a sleep mode, or at full processing power. When on battery, it will either be in sleep mode or 1.6ghz. --This is just how I do it, some people have Perfomance on Demand for battery and have it use different FID settings and the like.
Now for testing. Each time you drop the VID, run Prime95 for a while. Up to you how long, its the same if you overclock. Just make sure it works some people do it 2 hours or whatever, i think thats only necissary once you are undervolting a ton and stuff not at the beginning. If it doesn't crash then go back up to the "Profiles" page and lower the VID some more until you do crash.
Once you find the VID you like, then you can go back to the "Settings" page and have it run at startup. Note for Vista users: If you have UAC on it will ask for permission for you to start at boot-time as well... so depending you might want to turn UAC off.
Lastly, on the "Advanced CPU settings" I have all the enhanced low power states enabled. Depending on what game you might be playing, you might want to disable these. I haven't found it mess with my EQ2 while playing with all of them on however.
I was able to undervolt my G1S .2 volts so far (1.037v from 1.237), which in RMClock is really close to the lowest voltage I can go... I really need to keep playing with it though.
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OverClocking/Performance;
I suggest you use nTune for basic options, if you want a more "pro" tool, download RivaTuner. RivaTuner is definitively my favorite. I've OC'd to 580/820 stable clocks with nTune and i scored about 4667 at the time. Today my best score is 5076 with RivaTuner, 544 / 1325/ 826, main difference between the old OC which was higher core then this one is that i have now overclocked the Shader to 1325 which can be done using RivaTuner and scores you many points
Of course the fact that i use newer and better drivers now with RivaTuner does give a performance boost. I believe it stresses the GPU less with a 544/1325/826 then then the 580/820 and it does run more stable.
If you want to stick to OC' just the Core/Memory then the highest you can get is about 600/848. This OC was made by Adolfotregosa the first time back when the G1S had just been released, 07-29-2007. At the time he used 165.01 drivers and ran the test in 1280*800, he scored 5278. Compared to 5076 points in 1280*1024 i believe that the OC i made does score better, it shall be said that i used 175.63 drivers which alone gives a nice boost.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...126365&page=68
See this link for what you should expect from your G1S;
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246
With 3 gb you should score 2-300 points above all these results for the G1S!
This ram fits the G1S;
Crucial DDR2 SO-DIMM 2048MB CL5 Non-ECC, 1.8V, 256Mx64, 200p DDR2 PC2-5300
I can say already now that the newest 175.63 driver gives 200 points boost and disabling thermal monitor removes the "bugg" where the CPU performance is cut. We have also again proved that the stuttering issue some experience comes from to high temperature on the GPU and not from a bad driver. This because i kept the laptop below the magic 90c where stuttering begins and had no stuttering during any of the tests with any of the drivers. Asus i hate you for making this laptop with so bad cooling.
All test has been run in 1280*1024 with all settings on default in 3dmark06.
PLUGGED IN FULL BATTERY 167.45 driver
BEFORE START UP:
AFTER FIRST RUN WITH STOCK CLOCKS DRIVER 167.45
First i want to say is that it never went above 85c. The highest i saw was 80. This is with default clocks 475/700 and the 167.45 driver. I will now run it again with overclock. 3907 is btw a good result for a G1S with stock driver / clock.
This is results before and after with OC. I seen the temperature hit 90c with this configuration.
BEFORE START UP
AFTER SECOND RUN WITH OVER CLOCK 580/820 + CPU 2365mhz. DRIVER 167.45
Conclusion on the 167.45 driver
This driver works well and i did not experience any stuttering. However i do have proof that the stuttering issue remains in the 167.45 and the latest 175.63 drivers. Look at the bottom of OC section for the results when the GPU reaches 90c, 95c and the magic 96!
PLUGGED IN FULL BATTERY 175.63 driver
Well i am happy to say that i did get a better score with the new drivers, 100 points better in fact. With the 167.45 driver i got 3907 and now i scored 4075 with default factory settings. The new window in the pictures below is rivatuner, just to show that the driver has been updated.
BEFORE THE TEST, factory defaults plugged in.
AFTER THE TEST, factory defaults plugged in.
And here is the grand finale with the overclocked 175.63 !
Before the test, OC, 580/820, 2365mhz, thermal disabled.
After the test, compared to 4731 with the 167.45 we now reached 4948!
Stuttering due to High temperatures and its effect
I made this test really simple, i ran AtiTool, overclocked the gpu to 580/820 and had it show me the 3dwiev which forces the GPU to use its maximum potential. The results are very easy to understand as you see the AVG frames rise until the temp hits 95/96 then they decline again. On low temp the avg was 344 frames at max and when the temp got to high it declined to 269. I could never get the temperature above 96c.
At first here you see the frames at 340 AVG and the temperature increasing steadily. At the top it was 344 and 95c.
On the second image here we see the temp when its reached 96/97c and that the AVG frames is starting to decline.
On the third image it is quite clear that it will continue to decline until it reaches lower temp levels.
And on this last image i have reset the AVG counter to show the real-time effect and not the avg from when the test started like the above shows.
Conclusion on the 175.63 driver
This new driver has given my laptop a performance boost of 100 - 300 points depending on when its NormalClocked or OverClocked.
I did also run the OC setting on 1024*768 one time and it gave me 6149 score. This would explain how WEissbr0t managed to get 4739 on default clocks.
Note to all people who wants to run 3dmark06, the results you publish should be in default settings. If not you should notify the readers.
The 175.63 drivers gave a performance boost, but not really what i had hoped for. I had no stuttering issues during any of these tests. The temperature was steady below 90c.
The provided Images of ATItool should prove that stuttering occurs above 95c (at least in my laptop). Earlier its been said that it occurs at 90c, maybe they increased the max temp before it throttles down to 95c in the newest drivers? - i cant answer that one, id have to revert to old drivers and do the test over again and i cant be arsed! Stuttering occurs at approximately 95c. It lowered performance from 344 fps to 269 fps which is a 27% decrease in performance.
Here is a image of the 1024*768 results
G1S-A1 specs;
CPU; C2D 2.2ghz Core2 Duo T7500
possible to get T7300 from Bestbuy/GenTechPC that customize the G1S-A1 to such as-X1
Screen; 15.4" WSXGA+ 1680*1050
this is the best screen available, note they come in 3 lower resolutions!
HDD; 160gb HD 5400 RPM
you can get 7200RPM from Bestbuy/GenTechPC that customize the G1S-A1 to such as-X1
RAM; ELPIDA 2 x 1GB GDDR2-667mhz. 64MX8 1.8V EP
max 4GB - detects only 3GB in 32-bit systems. First url is home Elpida, 2nd is list of ram, i have not managed to identify which one it is
yet!
Elpida Home
http://www.elpida.com/en/index.html
List of Ram
http://www.elpida.com/en/products/ddr2module.html#No2
Graphic Card; 8600GT GDDR3
Core 475 Mhz / Memory 700 Mhz
DVD+-R/W + Lightscribe
~ Price ~ $1899 ~
For more performance, get a faster HDD. The HDD is fast enough, but I’ve read you can boost the windows startup by 10 seconds if you get 7200 rpm. I don’t mind waiting 10 seconds so I only upgraded the ram.
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Remember an easy trick is to use an object to lift the back of the laptop up from the table so you get more air under it. I use a book
If you want the best cooling, open up all the lids and place your G1S on top of the Zalman Notebook Cooler NC 2000. - when i overclock the graph to 580/820 it never goes above 70c at max load! - the built in cooler for the G1S wont even spin up! My idle temp is now about 40c, ive seen the CPU as low as 36c.
For those who thinks drilling is to advanced, just remove the lid, it will cool nicely.
Heat Problem, reduced. NOTE: DO NOT DRILL HOLES WHILE THE LID IS STILL ATTACHED TO THE LAPTOP!
This is how my laptop runs after the extra cooling. Note the CPU is overclocked to almost 2.4 from 2.2. Graph Card can be taken up to 580/780 without any major heat differences. However i do not need it as of today
NOTE: after 30 minutes of Crysis, with no problems, i had a ATItool temp (graphic card) 93, and CPU tool 64. This is to me respectable temperatures. I do believe that ATItools temp is not accurate and shows to high temps.
After some time i found the temperature getting higher and higher by each week that passed. I figured i wanted to find the reason to why and not very surprisingly it was a lot of dust in the cooling sink that prevented effective cooling. As i wrote above i was able to run around 93/64c before, that had changed to 100/75 over the weeks, some clean-up and replacing the cooling paste on the CPU did the trick and im now back to 90/65 load temp when overclocked to 2.4ghz and 540/745
Every once in a while you should remove this silver tape and clean out the dust inside of it.
My system idle temp is currently 45 and 44 c. Core Temp Beta.
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What Anti Virus Program to go for; Thanks to "_Bare" for providing me with link.
This depends on what flavour you like, chery, strawberry, chocolate or vanilla. I choose NOD32, Advanced+, on this page you can see why;
http://www.av-comparatives.org/
Press COMPARATIVES on the left side. Then select "14. Retrospective/ProActive Test May 2007
Online results"
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Tweak your Vista!-Read this thread!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/show...t=vista+tweaks
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ASUS-G1S-OFFICIAL SUPPORT FORUMS
This page has tought me a many things. They are talking about the same problems as people here. Lets Figure these things Together!
http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx...Language=en-us
Usefull Reviews/Benchmark;
G1S reviews and Benchmarks
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-...ok.3889.0.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246
Conclusion
This laptop had many flaws, but we have worked out everyone that i can think of! All new laptops with cutting-edge tech has problems in the start. I advise you to buy the G1S, it's an awesome laptop in both performance and design/construction!
I can not be held responsible if you use this post as a guide for your notebook/computer/desktop/laptop, this is your own risk at all times.
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