Samsung Series 7 Gamer NP700G7C with AMD Radeon HD 7970M/Geforce GTX 675M

[usagi4141]

Hmm as far as the 3D goes I have the option of "steroscopic 3d" by updating to a non samsung nvidia driver (more up to date then on samsung website) while connected to a monitor that supports the nvidia 3d vision. all I had to do was modify the nv_disp.inf. I might be on to something? lol

[yknyong1]

Seems to be passing all these test, that is pretty interesting most laptops have a problem with something or another.

The Series 7 has anti-ghosting keyboards. I personally tested one unit.

[TheDrunkenClam]

Hmm as far as the 3D goes I have the option of "steroscopic 3d" by updating to a non samsung nvidia driver (more up to date then on samsung website) while connected to a monitor that supports the nvidia 3d vision. all I had to do was modify the nv_disp.inf. I might be on to something? lol

Wait, you do have the NP700G7C with the GTX 675M, right?
I had no luck finding drivers. Can you post a link? Perhaps make a youtube video or something?

Hook a brother up!

[Karamazovmm]

Wait, you do have the NP700G7C with the GTX 675M, right?
I had no luck finding drivers. Can you post a link? Perhaps make a youtube video or something?

Hook a brother up!

have you tried going to the nvidia verde drivers site?

[TheDrunkenClam]

It seems I am one of the few people interested in 3D.. In case you were wondering, I just spoke to Samsung on this matter, and they are going to check into it and get back to me. I asked, if one were to buy a 3D emitter and the active shutter glasses, could this laptop do 3D.. The screen can do 120hz, so there is no reason that the drivers couldn't be updated to support 3D. I explained to them that this is a missed opportunity for Samsung. We'll see what they say!

[Zeruel_82]

It seems I am one of the few people interested in 3D.. In case you were wondering, I just spoke to Samsung on this matter, and they are going to check into it and get back to me. I asked, if one were to buy a 3D emitter and the active shutter glasses, could this laptop do 3D.. The screen can do 120hz, so there is no reason that the drivers couldn't be updated to support 3D. I explained to them that this is a missed opportunity for Samsung. We'll see what they say!

Sorry, but if 3D is that important to you, why didn't you just wait for the 3D-version with 7970M?

[TheDrunkenClam]

Sorry, but if 3D is that important to you, why didn't you just wait for the 3D-version with 7970M?

How do you know the 7970 version is a "3D version"? From what little information people have about it, it seems to me that its just going to be the same exact thing as the one that's out now, with the only difference being the 7970 in place of the 675m. I really wish there was a different thread for all the people waiting for the 7970.

[edhawk]

Glad I could help out. Yes the hard drives are marked HHD1 and HDD2 once you take off the back cover. If you hold the laptop with bottom facing up and the hard drives side closest to you, the HDD1 drive is the one to your right side. But they are marked on the inside chassis moldings so you can look for and see which one is which. Thanks for the +1!

Update: I updated the SSD installation steps posting (a few posts back from here) with my updated install findings loading the Samsung software(s). Re-read the update I added after step 14.

Okay, got the unit and my Crucial M4 256G ssd installed, the only thing I think I am missing is the Blu-ray play back software that was originally installed, i can't find it on the samsung site. Otherwise everything seems to be working great.

[PubFiction]

I don't understand what you are supposed to see or not see with this. Can you explain what supposed to happen on laptop keyboards that don't pass your test? I tried your test and get the pretty much the same results as what MZbiologist posted. Except I have a hard time pressing all the sdfk keys consistently all at the same time repeated 10 times. What's supposed to happen with these tests? Just curious.

I am testing for key rollover, gaming companies started calling it antighosting and that caught on so. (Which is a term I think people should avoid because it is like calling an MP3 player an iPod) People call key rollover the ability to accept more than 1 key input at a time. For instance CTRL + C copies, so you need to be able to rollover CTRL with all other keys to make modified commands.

Keyboards are typically 2KRO (2 key rollover) It means you can press ANY 2 keys at the same time on the keyboard and they will work. That is where it ends. But most keyboard makers try to efficiently design keyboards to save money and so users do not notice this limitation. As such, often the modifier keys like SHIFT, ALT, and CTRL are more like 3KRO. For a long time it was very hard to even figure out what was going on as most people were ignorant on this issue. They would just rebind keys in games, or buy different keyboards that randomly worked better. Eventually people started to notice these really old keyboards were NKRO (they could accept ANY combination of keys up to 16-18 which is more than fingers you have (I think, pics or shens)

What you see above is what you expect to see so you might be surprised if you had results like this. (Well not after I did all that explaining).

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What that shows me is that the keyboard is not registering all the keys. A blind person would not be able to use this keyboard and a gamer might want to investigate it very carefully before buying it. It turns out this is very common. In fact I stopped into Mythlogic which is a Clevo builder and their 17 inch laptop had a result like above.

Or like this
Apple Aluminum Keyboard
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Rosewill Mechanical Keyboard Cherry Red Switches (my current desktop keyboard)
THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG!

The Great Keyboard N-Key Rollover (NKRO) Test/Round-up - [H]ard|Forum
Here is a post with tons of keyboards tested.

Both of the tests above try to make a quick way of discerning the quality of roll over status, but neither is perfect, some laptops will score perfect on both of those tests and then when you get it home you will find a fatal flaw that gets in the way of your gaming or work. This is why I asked for tests on ESDF, I use ESDF to game, and shift is typically run/jet/aux, space is jump. You might be highly disappointed to know that the ASUS G75 which is one of the biggest competitors to this laptop will not allow me to hold SPACE, SHIFT and E at the same time which means I cannot jump or move forward. This is obviously not acceptable for a gaming laptop.

The biggest problem with laptops is that unlike a desktop you are married to a whole config of hardware. And most of it you cannot configure much if at all. For instance most only have 1 or 2 keyboard choices. So if the laptop fails this test it is out for me, however for most people they don’t make decisions based on this so laptop makers don’t care, they just buy keyboards for other chiclet keys and flashy lights. On top of that people often do not understand key rollover and they do things like blame the game, windows or something unrelated.

The second big problem is the so called antighosting on many gaming laptops is just a special design of key rollover that tries to make most combinations of keys work well around the WASD cluster. However gamers who play more keyboard intensive games may run out of options and gamers who try to move their configs to ESDF or RDFG will also have problems. More or less antighosting was a bad term coined to allow manufacturers to keep selling ty keyboards as gaming keyboard instead of designing true NKRO keyboards. Even a 6KRO keyboard would be acceptable to most, in fact NKRO is only 6KRO if it is over USB due to USB limitations.

You know that is sad, I have hypothesized that many of the things we do and like in the world of computers are the result of hardware limitations. For instance modifier keys like SHIFT, ALT, CTRL need to work with other keys so they are typically made to have better key rollover, as such the whole gaming world has sort of moved to WASD configs instead of much more efficient RDFG or ESDF configs where you have more keys close to access. Some people argue it is about spacing but I think that was only a small part of the decision. I also think that the move to LCDs which are slower than CRTS is a big part of why fast paced games lost popularity to much slower paced games. People could not react quickly in games like HLDM, Quake, UT and Tribes on LCDs so games like CS, BF, COD became more popular.

So spread the word and google more about this issue eventually one day consumers might start demanding NKRO in high enough numbers that most laptops will come with it. Haha who am I kidding probably a pipe dream people want macbook airs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(key)
http://rollover.geekhack.org/

[Drownigshrimp]

Sorry, but if 3D is that important to you, why didn't you just wait for the 3D-version with 7970M?

Here is an example:
Here, have a TV. It's a LED HDTV. You get home and the box has "3D" written on it, but does not come with any glasses. You were fine with a regular TV, but now that you know it has 3D, you want to go out and buy some 3D glasses.