Clevo W350ETQ and W370ET

[Kevin]

- Soft button to disable NVIDIA graphics card

Why the heck didn't they put one of these buttons on the two EM models?

These even look a lot more stylish than those. I like them.

[Seus]

Is the W350ETQ suppose to be step up from W150ER, but below the P15XEM models.

[Androyed]

Looks like this W350ETQ will compete with the MSI GE60 (MS-16GA Barebones).

W350ETQ - 2 x 9.5mm HDD is nice. HM76 chipset so RAID isn't supported?
W370ET - HM77 chipset, so maybe RAID is supported.

Doesn't look like either has a SATA III mSata port?

But a 13" with the same hardware plus the 13" FHD IPS panel from the Asus Zenbook Prime UX32VD would be ideal.
Any idea if this is going to be announced this year?

I am still in doubt between the MSI MS-16GA and the Clevo W350ETQ. The difference in performance shouldn't be too big, and the MSI Barebones is 50 euro cheaper. The biggest difference will probably be the build quality.

Where did it say the 15 inch has hm76, while the 17 inch has hm77?
What is the difference anyway, and what is RAID?
Here they indeed talk about HM77 and RAID: http://www.notebookchat.com/index.ph...fcpnh7i70io3g2 (translation: http://translate.google.com/translat...C35580.15.html)

For this purpose it will be dull as ever, high-quality full-HD displays. The CPU will be able to upgrade to high for the Core i7-3820QM! The units (15.6 "and 17.3"), two SATA III HDD slots offer (for SSDs and hard drives) and four USB ports, of which only three of the standard 3.0-mastered and will be managed directly by the Intel chipset HM77.

.......

And for the entire device:
- SATA 6G-connection!
- Hardware RAID on two drives slots!
- Three DDR3 RAM slots (two on rear, one under the keyboard)!
- Soft button to disable NVIDIA graphics card according to NVIDIA Optimus 2012!

I don't really know about any 13 models, sorry.

[omnivor]

Hmm interesting, the two pics below of the 370ET don't quite match up (look at the num pad 0 key)





What gives? o.O

[Androyed]

Hmm interesting, the two pics below of the 370ET don't quite match up (look at the num pad 0 key)





What gives? o.O

This is the W370ET as shown at the Computex 2012 Clevo booth:

http://nb.zol.com.cn/slide/299/2995839_15.html

So the second image you posted is correct. If you look closely, you can see that the power button has been switched to the right in the first image. It is supposed to be on the left, like in the second image and in the image from Computex 2012.

And here is a picture of the W350ETQ at the same booth:

[Sequencer1]

I am still in doubt between the MSI MS-16GA and the Clevo W350ETQ. The difference in performance shouldn't be too big, and the MSI Barebones is 50 euro cheaper. The biggest difference will probably be the build quality.

Where did it say the 15 inch has hm76, while the 17 inch has hm77?
What is the difference anyway, and what is RAID?

I don't really know about any 13 models, sorry.

Clevo seems to have superior build quality, in my opinion. I have the MSI and it's not as rigid as the Clevo P150HM I owned previously, but the MSI weighs less and is a lot more portable. Audio quality with headphones is superior with the MSI, in my opinion.

The BlueMobility links in post #1 shows the type of Intel chipsets. HM77 supports RAID, but it's up to the notebook manufacturer to implement this in the BIOS.

RAID means redundant array of inexpensive disks. It was established years ago for the enterprise server market to have data redundancy using off-the-shelf (inexpensive) HDDs.

RAID 1 uses two HDDs but Windows will see only one drive, but when you write data to the HDD, a mirror copy is made to the 2nd HDD. This is in case one HDD fails, then the other HDD will seamlessly take over, since it is a mirror copy of the other HDD. This is called data redundancy, and is important in a server, or any computer that needs to be powered on 24/7 or where the data cannot be lost if a drive fails.

RAID 0 isn't technically for data redundancy, but for speed. Two HDDs are seen by Windows as one large drive. When you write data to the drive, different parts of the data are written to both drives. This is called striping, and is for performance, since data is striped across both drives and can be accessed faster. There is no data redundancy with RAID 0.

RAID 5: Three+ HDDs with a mix of data redundancy and increased performance. This is the most popular choice for servers.

A modern SSD is considerably faster than two regular mechanical spinning HDDs in RAID 0. SSDs technically should be much more reliable than HDDs too, but there are many modern SSDs on the market with high failure rates due to poorly designed controller firmware, etc.

Two SSDs in RAID 0 will be faster when disk benchmarking, but will make no noticeable difference when compared to a single SSD, in my opinion.

Make sure you get a SATA III SSD and the computer that you are attaching it to has a SATA III port. Some newer computers still only have the slower SATA II port.

Sorry for the long post.

[Androyed]

Clevo seems to have superior build quality, in my opinion. I have the MSI and it's not as rigid as the Clevo P150HM I owned previously, but the MSI weighs less and is a lot more portable. Audio quality with headphones is superior with the MSI, in my opinion.

The BlueMobility links in post #1 shows the type of Intel chipsets. HM77 supports RAID, but it's up to the notebook manufacturer to implement this in the BIOS.

RAID means redundant array of inexpensive disks. It was established years ago for the enterprise server market to have data redundancy using off-the-shelf (inexpensive) HDDs.

RAID 1 uses two HDDs but Windows will see only one drive, but when you write data to the HDD, a mirror copy is made to the 2nd HDD. This is in case one HDD fails, then the other HDD will seamlessly take over, since it is a mirror copy of the other HDD. This is called data redundancy, and is important in a server, or any computer that needs to be powered on 24/7 or where the data cannot be lost if a drive fails.

RAID 0 isn't technically for data redundancy, but for speed. Two HDDs are seen by Windows as one large drive. When you write data to the drive, different parts of the data are written to both drives. This is called striping, and is for performance, since data is striped across both drives and can be accessed faster. There is no data redundancy with RAID 0.

RAID 5: Three+ HDDs with a mix of data redundancy and increased performance. This is the most popular choice for servers.

A modern SSD is considerably faster than two regular mechanical spinning HDDs in RAID 0. SSDs technically should be much more reliable than HDDs too, but there are many modern SSDs on the market with high failure rates due to poorly designed controller firmware, etc.

Two SSDs in RAID 0 will be faster when disk benchmarking, but will make no noticeable difference when compared to a single SSD, in my opinion.

Make sure you get a SATA III SSD and the computer that you are attaching it to has a SATA III port. Some newer computers still only have the slower SATA II port.

Sorry for the long post.

No need to say sorry, thanks for the explanation!

The W350/W370 is going to support SATA III, so that isn't going to be a problem. My plan was to buy it with a 128 GB SATA III SSD + the slowest 500GB/1TB HDD I can get (for storage). So I guess in that case RAID isn't really needed.

But take a look at this: here they indeed talk about HM77 and RAID: Update zur GTX 660M (translation: Google Vertalen)

For this purpose it will be dull as ever, high-quality full-HD displays. The CPU will be able to upgrade to high for the Core i7-3820QM! The units (15.6 "and 17.3"), two SATA III HDD slots offer (for SSDs and hard drives) and four USB ports, of which only three of the standard 3.0-mastered and will be managed directly by the Intel chipset HM77.

.......

And for the entire device:
- SATA 6G-connection!
- Hardware RAID on two drives slots!
- Three DDR3 RAM slots (two on rear, one under the keyboard)!
- Soft button to disable NVIDIA graphics card according to NVIDIA Optimus 2012!

mysn.de support at NBR posted a reply in this thread yesterday, maybe he can confirm/deny RAID in the W350?

By the way, the pictures from http://www.bluemobility.pl/bm-clevo-...q-p-24542.html of the W350ETQ don't look like the pictures of the W350ETQ from the Computex 2012 booth at all. Aaand I now see that the link leads to the older W150ERQ model... My mistake!

[Sequencer1]

Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't catch it.

Also, when clicking the first link for the One K56-2O (Clevo W350ETQ I believe?), and clicking the 'Galerie' tab, it shows photos of the MSI MS-16GA Barebones model. Still too new I guess.
by: One - ONE Computer Shop

[Androyed]

Thanks for pointing that out - I didn't catch it.

Also, when clicking the first link for the One K56-2O (Clevo W350ETQ I believe?), and clicking the 'Galerie' tab, it shows photos of the MSI MS-16GA Barebones model. Still too new I guess.
by: One - ONE Computer Shop

Yes, that is because one.de currently sells the MSI MS-16GA under the name "ONE M56-2O". The K56-2O is supposed to replace it, but you aren't supposed to get to that link yet. I found it in a thread, but if you search from the one.de homepage, you will not find the K56-2O yet. The K73-2O (W370ET) is already available for pre-order, so there you can see what options are available for configuration. The K73-2O is supposed to replace the M73-2O, which is the 17 inch version of the MSI barebones (I don't know if it's also called MS-16GA...).

I kinda hate all the names. It can be very confusing. The MSI MS-16GA is the same as the GE60, right? But I believe the GE60 has an improved chassis? Better build quality?

[Sequencer1]

Yes, that is because one.de currently sells the MSI MS-16GA under the name "ONE M56-2O". The K56-2O is supposed to replace it, but you aren't supposed to get to that link yet. I found it in a thread, but if you search from the one.de homepage, you will not find the K56-2O yet. The K73-2O (W370ET) is already available for pre-order, so there you can see what options are available for configuration. The K73-2O is supposed to replace the M73-2O, which is the 17 inch version of the MSI barebones (I don't know if it's also called MS-16GA...).

I kinda hate all the names. It can be very confusing. The MSI MS-16GA is the same as the GE60, right? But I believe the GE60 has an improved chassis? Better build quality?

I believe the MS-16GA Barebones and the GE60 are the same hardware, including the chassis. The 15" GE60 is finished in glossy black, with red accents and of course the design on the lid.
There is a flat matte finish 17" MSI Barebones (MSI 1756) available too:
Test One M73-2O Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests
FORCE 1756 / MSI 1756 - XOTIC PC - 17.3" Custom Gaming Notebook

Here's a large webpage with lots of photos and specs of the 15" GE60:
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The flex in the plastic chassis (and the creaking sounds) are definitely something to be concerned about if you are rough with it, but I suppose this makes it lighter and less expensive.