**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

[Anthony@MALIBAL]

ES - engineering or pre-production samples, used for testing purposes only. ES parts can differ greatly from the final product both in performance and stability. Resellers aren't allowed to sell those. And yet some companies throw them in just to be the first to announce the product. They also start accepting pre-orders sooner and ppl buy...just to realize later on that due to some delays the shipping dates got pushed to the same date which the rest of the resellers have set long ago (surprised? ).

And they keep doing that because there are always those who don't research and fall for the trap oblivious to the fact that not only they have to pay a higher premium, but also, they aren't getting it any time sooner and worse yet, they might be getting a dud

It's also worth noting for Maltar that ES parts are generally unsupported and as-is. If you happened to have one and it burned out (and your warranty was up), the manufacturer would not help you out with RMA's. They're basically no-warranty parts and are for testing, not technically for sale. For example, here is what Intel has to say about ES CPU's:

Processors — Information about Intel Engineering/Qualification Sample Processors

[Moltar]

Hmmm. I'm located in Canada so it would have been easier for me shipping wise. Has anyone had a good experience with Eurocom? I realize it's natural to read about more bad experiences than good ones on the Interwebs, just curious to the other side of the fence. There doesn't seem to be a great search function (none that I can find anyways) on these forums.

I'll keep that in mind though if I decide to go with them. Thanks for the tip.

*Edited for spelling*

[omnivor]

Should read this before you decide:

Official Disclosure of my Very Bad Experience with Eurocom

[jaug1337]

Hmmm. I'm located in Canada so it would have been easier for me shipping wise. Has anyone had a good experience with Eurocom? I realize it's natural to read about more bad experiences than good ones on the Interwebs, just curious to the other side of the fence. There doesn't seem to be a great search function (none that I can find anyways) on these forums.

I'll keep that in mind though if I decide to go with them. Thanks for the tip.

*Edited for spelling*

Wouldn't recommend Eurocom by any means!

Fair and Legal Business Practices

The only thing worth mentioning.

[Tirenz]

I usually don´t dig out old stories, but if I can avoid one unsatisfied customer:
Stay away from Eurocom. Last year they sold me (over HAWKFORCE from Germany who deals with them and imports their laptops) a X7200 with 6970m crossfire graphic cards... a month or so before they were out, I was assured that they were NOT ES, but of course: They were. I even contacted AMD who said "that looks like units that were sent as demo to them".
Besides that, my laptop didn´t start on battery, finally Hawkforce had to send it to GOLDENSTAR (Clevo Germany) and a new mainboard was built in. I got real 6970m cards, but they never worked well in the X7200, so I bought GTX 485m SLI which run fine till today and work fantastic.
Maybe I´ll get the successor of the P270WM, but I´ll let out the P270WM. Very satisfied with my X7200 till´now .

[acr731]

ES - engineering or pre-production samples, used for testing purposes only. ES parts can differ greatly from the final product both in performance and stability. Resellers aren't allowed to sell those. And yet some companies throw them in just to be the first to announce the product. They also start accepting pre-orders sooner and ppl buy...just to realize later on that due to some delays the shipping dates got pushed to the same date which the rest of the resellers have set long ago (surprised? ).

And they keep doing that because there are always those who don't research and fall for the trap oblivious to the fact that not only they have to pay a higher premium, but also, they aren't getting it any time sooner and worse yet, they might be getting a dud

Who (which company) are you throwing under the bus?

[E.Blar]

no problem, we can always mod the spd and turn it to 8gb 1600......if the stick's oc potential is good enough

btw single 8gb 1600 already out now...
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These are plug-and-play, though. You won't have to worry about getting sticks that don't overclock well or bios with no memory overclocking support or some other garbage...

EUROCOM Panther 4.0 - the World's Most Powerful Mobile Supercomputer - YouTube

Video uploaded by Eurocom 2 days ago on P270WM not sure if its any helpful but here you go.

Supercomputer, eh?

ES - engineering or pre-production samples, used for testing purposes only. ES parts can differ greatly from the final product both in performance and stability. Resellers aren't allowed to sell those. And yet some companies throw them in just to be the first to announce the product. They also start accepting pre-orders sooner and ppl buy...just to realize later on that due to some delays the shipping dates got pushed to the same date which the rest of the resellers have set long ago (surprised? ).

And they keep doing that because there are always those who don't research and fall for the trap oblivious to the fact that not only they have to pay a higher premium, but also, they aren't getting it any time sooner and worse yet, they might be getting a dud

Might these people who don't do their research be the same kind of people who buy directly from sager and then wonder why customer support for these machines isn't as great as people here say?

Who (which company) are you throwing under the bus?

Eurocom. You know, the ones who love ES parts.

[acr731]

Eurocom. You know, the ones who love ES parts.

Ok, thanks. Being in the US, I wouldn't have even looked at them in the first place. Glad to know at least one bullet was dodged.

[altleet]

You like them because you probably never had to deal with them before. You never received notebooks with ES components inside, lol. You should research before pulling the trigger. Luckily 90% ppl on these boards well aware and stay away from these guys.

Maybe you are right about not researching enough, but from my experience I couldn't come to an agreement with xotic pc so I decided to look for other re-seller / retailers Origin and several others but none could help me except for Eurocom..

So here is what I will do, Once this laptop arrives Ill do a full review With extensive research on my laptops parts to make sure I did not receive any ES parts and post my good and the bad experience with it recorded as well as written. And give you guys an insight to it.

Stay tuned to that day.

[Aikimox]

Sounds like a plan. Keep us posted and good luck with your purchase.