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[H.A.L. 9000]

I want a green one

I wanted a pure White one, similar to the white N9.

Sidenote: Why isn't this the Lumia 710? Why do concepts always have to be drop dead sexy while the actual device is just not quite there...

[mrXniick]

I wanted a pure White one, similar to the white N9.

Sidenote: Why isn't this the Lumia 710? Why do concepts always have to be drop dead sexy while the actual device is just not quite there...

I am still hopeful that this is the rumored 4.3 inch device set to come out this year. With the US release of nokia's phones pushed back to next year, I am sure we will get a new flagship. I really hope they release a device similar to that, as it is gorgeous.

That being said, I am perfectly content with my Omnia 7 and my soon to be galaxy nexus

[Mr_Mysterious]

With the limited controls on a phone...I have to constantly ask myself...with 'dual-core' and 'quad-core' graphic chips coming out...do we really need that much of power for something this small?

Mr. Mysterious

[H.A.L. 9000]

With the limited controls on a phone...I have to constantly ask myself...with 'dual-core' and 'quad-core' graphic chips coming out...do we really need that much of power for something this small?

Mr. Mysterious

The Galaxy S II already has a quad-core GPU. It's been the first to competently handle Android with elegance.

WP7, on the other hand, can do perfectly fine with Adreno 200 graphics... which still amazes me. Android on that same hardware is sickeningly laggy at 95% of tasks. WP7 sails through smooth as silk with the same GPU.

[Step666]

I really dont understand why you feel the need to impose your hatred of Nokia on everyone else. Sure, you hate their products but that doesn't mean that those of us that like their hardware are "fooling" ourselves.

It's hardly hatred, it's a mere statement of fact.

Ever since it was announced Nokia would be switching to WP7, there has been a quite unrealistic expectation from some people that they will make some sort of telling difference, that they will produce a handset or a number of handsets that will have a significant impact on WP7's fortunes.
I on the other hand have been warning that any such expectations would end up with people being sorely disappointed and, to be fair, so far I'm being proven right.

There's nothing compelling about the two Lumia handsets, no new special feature or function that will draw in customers that previously had no interest in WP7. People who had no interest in say the Omnia W or the HTC Titan are hardly going to be enamoured with the Nokia WP7 handsets.
Even the Nokia name will have minimal impact.


As for my imposing myself, I was replying directly to a comment of HAL's.

[H.A.L. 9000]

It's hardly hatred, it's a mere statement of fact.

IMO, though, you're confusing personal opinion with fact...

Nokia will undoubtedly sell quite a few of the Lumia handsets, since there's only two, and IMHO they're the best looking ones so far (aside from the Omnia 7). The Omnia 7 has a design that just works so good on so many levels. Nokia's new design language is "fun" though, and a LOT of people will like that. They definitely have their demographic, which is probably the crowd that buys a device based on it's looks. That's a big market, especially (and sadly) in the US.

I have to admit, though, that the N9 is the most underrated handset I've ever seen. Beautiful in design, beautiful UI, powerful OS, pentaband 3G... it deserved to be Nokia's saving grace... and I believe it could have worked.

[H.A.L. 9000]

LMAO...

lumia - English Translation - Word Magic Spanish-English Dictionary

[Step666]

IMO, though, you're confusing personal opinion with fact...

Am I though?
Is it not a fact to say that the Nokia handsets bring nothing new to the table?

You said yourself you're worried about the direction WP7 is headed in. Do you really, honestly believe that the two Nokia handsets are going to significantly change that?

Nokia will undoubtedly sell quite a few of the Lumia handsets.

I never said they wouldn't sell, I just don't see them selling well enough to make any significant difference to WP7's overall market-share.

They definitely have their demographic, which is probably the crowd that buys a device based on it's looks. That's a big market, especially (and sadly) in the US.

Obviously I can't speak too much for the US but I don't think that will sway too many people.

For a start, whilst a lot of people are worried about the way their phone looks, I still don't see that factor alone persuading people to switch to an OS they otherwise potentially have no interest in/getting them to leave iOS or Android or Blackberry or whatever they already have and like.

Also, even if you are in the market for a WP7 handset, why take a chance on a company that has spent the last few years running itself into the ground and producing a succession of sub-par handsets when you have the option of an identically-specced Samsung or HTC?
Nokia's brand image is really poor within the smartphone market and a lot of people have been stung by them in the past, that's never going to be easy to turn around.

[cassar]

LMAO...

lumia - English Translation - Word Magic Spanish-English Dictionary

Lumia is a form of art
The Art of Lumia

also elop said it mean "new dawn"

[H.A.L. 9000]

Am I though?
Is it not a fact to say that the Nokia handsets bring nothing new to the table?

True, except for the sat-nav part, which is nothing big at all really.

You said yourself you're worried about the direction WP7 is headed in. Do you really, honestly believe that the two Nokia handsets are going to significantly change that?

Yes. I believe that for Nokia this will mean significant change. Worldwide? Not so much probably, but it will bring Nokia back into relevance for most normal people. All they have to do is see a nice looking, smooth performing handset and they'll associate that with Nokia... even though there are other WP7 devices, none of then have the "fun" factor. Matter of fact, most are pretty boring in the looks dept.

And as much as I feel Microsoft is smothering themselves, most people don't keep near as close a tab on things as we do. They'll see something smooth running that gets updates and they're all over it.

I never said they wouldn't sell, I just don't see them selling well enough to make any significant difference to WP7's overall market-share.

I do. The only two smartphone models they have, aside from the dead N9, are WP7 models. Nokia will be pushing these hard because it's crucial to their relevance. Samsung on the other hand, could stop selling WP7 handsets tomorrow and never see a blip in the financials. Nokia will be pushing these in volume, and that's what WP7 needs.

As much as I thought they were underwhelming, most people won't think that.

Obviously I can't speak too much for the US but I don't think that will sway too many people.

Just try to put yourself in a woman's or teenager's perspective. They'll go immediately for the colors. I've watched a great many of my adult friends do just that also. They buy it because they like the color, then they just get another or several more in different colors for their family.

For a start, whilst a lot of people are worried about the way their phone looks, I still don't see that factor alone persuading people to switch to an OS they otherwise potentially have no interest in/getting them to leave iOS or Android or Blackberry or whatever they already have and like.

Also, even if you are in the market for a WP7 handset, why take a chance on a company that has spent the last few years running itself into the ground and producing a succession of sub-par handsets when you have the option of an identically-specced Samsung or HTC?
Nokia's brand image is really poor within the smartphone market and a lot of people have been stung by them in the past, that's never going to be easy to turn around.

I think Nokia is targeting the younger/first time smartphone buyers, or the crowd that's eager to try a WP7 device. The former has no ties to any OS, where the latter is well aware of the move's potential side-effects.

It's only because of their software. Symbian was a train-wreck on touchscreen devices at the time. Their hardware was always solidly build... VERY solidly built. I still remember my E71 from a while back. Considered "smart" at the time, the thing was a tank. Handled drop after drop after drop... still works now. It's in my desk drawer. The N900 was a beast of a phone, even if it was only built with nerds in mind. The N8 has a camera that's almost second to none even today, and the N9 is probably one of the most well built devices I've held... very solid and sturdy. HTC uses nice materials, but their fit and finish is really sub-par. Samsung is Samsung... all plastic non-unibody, and extreme thinness and lightweight.

Another thing was battery life. My E71 would last almost 5 days on a charge.

If the Lumia 800 is anything like what I think it is, build quality wise, it's going to make a LOT of people very happy campers.