Apple MacBook Pro with Retina Display Review (2012) Discussion

[Sphinx]

Well advertising 2800x1800 and having it really only be 1920x1200 (although I lust after WUXGA) is a crappy thing to do. SHould give people the choice to use 1:1 ratio if they so choose...

[Karamazovmm]

you still have the space of 2880*1800, but at least you can see the text at a decent distance.

And you could always install/create an app that can put a 1:1 ratio on the screen. Even 3840*2400 is possible in that screen.

[Sphinx]

you still have the space of 2880*1800, but at least you can see the text at a decent distance.

And you could always install/create an app that can put a 1:1 ratio on the screen. Even 3840*2400 is possible in that screen.

With the more space setting the resolution is 1920x1200 effective with pixel mapping scaling it down from 2800x1800 for "clarity". In order to use the full 2800x1800 you have to do a non apple approved work around/hack. Which is is apple spitting in the users face. "Hey we have X resolution but you can only use it at X - y resolution...". As for the clarity argument, while the screen is nice its nothing special, I have 20/10 vision and even on a large high resolution screen inorder to tell the difference between pixels is hard to impossible. On my 24in WUXGA I have to get much closer then you would ever realistically use the screen and on my 15.4 WUXGA well you might as well touch your eye to the screen...

I applaud apple for keeping 16:10 alive, and also for the great screens. But they arent the cream of the crop and selling "crab apples" at a "red delicious" price and branding is wrong. (sorry no better analogy I could think of ).

[Karamazovmm]

given that you can do 3820*2400 thats how the scaling on the 1920*1200 works.

Take a look at how the images scale on the screen at different settings.

And indeed there 2 great things about that screen, the res, and the IPS. color gamut aint nothing out of what apple has done. But its still an improvement to most 1080p screens. I can think of 2 screens at 15'' that are better, the auo 95% gamut screen and the dream color 2

[masterchef341]

Well advertising 2800x1800 and having it really only be 1920x1200 (although I lust after WUXGA) is a crappy thing to do. SHould give people the choice to use 1:1 ratio if they so choose...

If you set the thing to "best for retina" - it runs in 2880x1800. They also changed the raster graphics / UI elements to account for the dramatic reduction in pixel size. "looks like 1920x1200" makes everything extremely small, and 2880x1800 using the old notions of pixel size doesn't make any sense at all.

If you want to run in 2880x1800, just use the default. That is 2880x1800. If you pick "looks like 1920x1200" - it runs 3840x2400 and downscales to 2880x1800. Because they are using different raster graphics for the UI elements, text, etc. - the physical size of elements corresponds to what they were in the past (or would have been in the past) using 1920x1200 resolution. That doesn't mean the thing is running in 1920x1200 (it isn't).

The only travesty here is the convoluted display preferences that doesn't really give you a good impression of what's going on with the resolution.

[TSE]

Anyone who says that the Retina Display isn't ready with the current GPU and battery limitations: You might be correct, which is why Apple offers the classic MacBook Pro models still. If you want a piece of the future, although with a quirk or two, get the Retina.

[Karamazovmm]

apparently the lag is mostly gone in ML GM, regarding battery life, I hope that they get those sharp displays

[J.R. Nelson]

Well advertising 2800x1800 and having it really only be 1920x1200 (although I lust after WUXGA) is a crappy thing to do. SHould give people the choice to use 1:1 ratio if they so choose...

You can. Download a quick 3rd party app, and it's a setting or three. It's also a really awful experience, and this is coming from someone who loves those weird hi-res screens.

The real bonus to the retina display is when you have a savvy app developer. The UI will be doubled or scaled, providing sharp text and a nice feel, while the working area will be at native res - like if you were manipulating a photo in Aperture, or something.

Also, games have no issue rendering at that screen res, if they support it.

You can also run Windows out of the box at the 1:1 setting. Which is honestly a bit painful.

apparently the lag is mostly gone in ML GM, regarding battery life, I hope that they get those sharp displays

The only real lag is with web browsing, and Safari ML is quite fast. Facebook is still a bit of a dog, though (running ML now).

[Salaryman Ryan]

To be fair, Facebook is choppy even with my "low res" 2011 17" Macbook Pro on MT. I presume its a common problem not unique to the retina.

[WulffM]

The soldering everything down thats just super wrong i mean we all know how much more expensive the ram and all are when you buy them apple branded so to say. and 2 year apple care for 350 lol. Here in europe there are laws against that, cause a laptop is supposed to last for at least 2 - 3 years so you have rights as a customer anyways. I almost feel sorry for the people that actually consider to buy such a laptop. Sure that screen must be amazing to justify this price..lol and that an employee of apple already say its wise to get that applecare cause it will probably break and without apple care you will go bankrupt to let it be fixed.. With this macbook it shows again that apple thinks of apple before their customers.