Apple Updates MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Insane New 2880x1800 Notebook Display Discussion

[kto]

The Lenovo w series is not that bulky or heavy side by side with the mbp. Other than that, it has the power, build quality, battery life, and customer support that meet or exceed the mbp.

I agree with you that the W series is probably the best competitor to the Retina MBP. However, the W series is twice as thick and weighs 1.5 pounds more - not to mention probably an inch deeper with the 8 cell battery.

The quality of customer service depends on location. In the US Lenovo and Apple are good. The quality of Apple support is much more consistent outside the USA, which matters to a lot of people all over the world.

What really kills the portability of the W series is the power brick. With the W520 Lenovo forced you to use a 170W (180W?) power brick that is rated for the most powerful configuration. I suspect they could have easily come up with a power scheme that allowed you to use the 90W brick for traveling/portability. That would have really helped the portability of the W series.

[guitarplayer]

In my opinion this revolutionary thing to happen to happen to laptops since the macbook air. (Which shows how stagnent laptops have been for a while) Both of these have been from apple.

The only other company that seems to be trying is sony. None of the other manufacturers have really tried anything interesting recently, that I can think of, except maybe the dell adamo but that didn't go anywhere

People have wanted this since the Iphone 4 came out. What i'm wondering is, why didn't someone (like dell or hp) try to one up apple on this or something?

[Slaughterhouse]

This is absolutely phenomenal. I hope this sends a trend for the mainstream PC vendors as well. If this didn't have Mac OS I would jump all over this.

It's a pain to make this run Windows 7 only right?

[sgogeta4]

Windows on osx sucks. That and windows has terrible scaling. They really need to address that before windows machines get higher resolution panels.

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[virtualjock]

I agree with you that the W series is probably the best competitor to the Retina MBP. However, the W series is twice as thick and weighs 1.5 pounds more - not to mention probably an inch deeper with the 8 cell battery.

The quality of customer service depends on location. In the US Lenovo and Apple are good. The quality of Apple support is much more consistent outside the USA, which matters to a lot of people all over the world.

What really kills the portability of the W series is the power brick. With the W520 Lenovo forced you to use a 170W (180W?) power brick that is rated for the most powerful configuration. I suspect they could have easily come up with a power scheme that allowed you to use the 90W brick for traveling/portability. That would have really helped the portability of the W series.

The W520/530 are great machines but if you want to run a Linux/Unix based OS, you will be gimped by the Nvidia optimus card in the lenovos. There are so many problems with adding high end monitors with the W520 ***in linux ***, I specifically opted to get a T420 with plain jane HD3000 integrated gpu just so I can run a 30" monitor with linux. I know, I research this for 4 months before settling on a T420. And even the T420 has horrible battery life. i cant imagine getting more than 3 hours at most on the W530 running Linux with the kernel 3.2. Both the Lenovo W & T series and the Macbook Pro retina appeals to me. I'm leaning toward the 15 MBP.

I carry two laptops with me right now in my bag. A t420 and a MBP13. The new 15 MBP would solve all my problems. I can probably carry a 15 MBP, an iPad3 & a Asus Transformer all in the same bag the T420 occupies.

My macbooks never had problems with multiple monitors. Especially those with greater resolution than 1920x1080.

[Slaughterhouse]

Windows on osx sucks. That and windows has terrible scaling. They really need to address that before windows machines get higher resolution panels.

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Yeah I figured. That's unfortunate. It's gonna be a while before PCs start to adopt this crazy idea of putting higher res panels than 1366x768 in their laptops.

[Karamazovmm]

do you know what I see from the mbp retina? What the envy 15 was with updated specs. And what HP lost in their new envy line.

I dont know if it would make monetary sense to make the 2 15'' notebooks in the same line, however this is could be their halo product, for whatever good that is worth

[Regnad Kcin]

I'm also a big fan of higher resolution screens and I wish Windows scaled nicely. I'm OK with 1920x1200 on my 15.4" screen. However, my mother finds her 1600x1200 21" desktop screen to be a bit hard to read. It's only a resolution issue because Windows doesn't scale well. Apple has effectively done a run around for this problem. They haven't actually fixed the issue but got around it via brute force. By doubling the linear resolution they can display the old stuff with easy scaling and display the new stuff with smoother lines. That's a clever if costly solution. I'm not sure the PC world would accept that solution since it would mean a big bump in screen prices. What I hope happens is MS comes up with a good scaling function in Win8.

The other thing that would really help would be web page scaling that works as nicely as that included with Android or iOS. It seems like those browsers quickly and nicely scale things. Often I would like to boost a page's size a bit but I don't like how poorly it re-renders in Windows (I'm not sure OSx is any better).

I think the new Apple is a cool product but like many other Apple devices I don't consider it to be as great as many claim. It also won't be the shape of things to come in PC land because for better and worse PCs are far more spec to price cost sensitive. If the specs aren't better for the same price we don't bite. Look how often you see screen size advertised but not resolution even when the resolution isn't 1366.

Still, if this breaks the 1366 doldrums I'm going to be very happy. I would like my next laptop to be a 13" 1600x900 model. I just hope I have a large range of options when that time comes.

[pepper_john]

I would buy a portable notebook with moderate HD display and hook up with a high quality 24" external monitor. It's simply more bang for the money.

[denneboom]

i heard stories about that this retina displayed is scaled, and not true 1800P.
so the image is rendered at 1920x1200P and upscaled to 1800P.(the display has 1800P pixels)

it does make sense, if it had 1800P whitout any scaling, the text would become too small.