Whats so bad about Vista?

[flynnaz]

So in the end Vista is fine after you install all the updates and services packs, basicly fixing the mess it starts out to be

[davepermen]

it wasn't much of a mess if you had a system with proper drivers and enough juice to serve it well.

and this one line holds true for about any os installation

and updates should always be done of course.

[flynnaz]

Of course, updates should be done, except Vista did not have all of it's updates it has now. Vista was alot harder to to install when it first came out due to lack of driver support, and all the bugs that where not figured out just yet. SP1 was a major fix too. I used Vista from it's beta, it was not that fun, and I had up to date hardware too.

[makaveli72]

you, sire, don't have a clue what processes and services mean and do, then. you have a lot to learn.

hint: they're there for you, not a harm. there's no reason to tune and tweak a clean install. a real geek doesn't do it. only those who think they're smarter and have to do something sort of a test of courage to feel proud to their friends do that crap.

a non-running process is a performance GAIN, not a loss. but that's hard to understand.

You seem to be contradicting yourself there; but I guess we're speaking different languages. Nevertheless, i've already said my piece, and I stand by it. Seasons greetings to you as well.

[Snakecharmed]

vista in 30 seconds to fully usable, and so is win7. your hardware wasn't balanced. but yes, win7 works much more gently on such unbalanced systems.

(and in case, it's a 12" ulv 1.2ghz core2duo 2gb ram with ide ssd on it, so it's by any means of today a slow system, except for parts of the ssd).

even win7 can be slow (up to 10 minutes boot time on a friends system with a 4200rpm hdd), but it's not a fault of the os normally, it's the fault of a system which did not focus on removing bottlenecks. unwise spent money.

That's fair enough. I'll certainly acknowledge that my hardware wasn't up to the level it is now and anyone could also objectively say there was more stuff loading at startup with my Vista installation than my current 7 installation. Again, it was by no means an apples-to-apples comparison of the two operating systems because I upgraded almost everything when I moved to 7, including my hard drive.

That said, I think your SSD would make most any OS load extremely quickly. I would be thrilled with one if a large capacity SSD was within budget right now.

[Pirx]

vista in 30 seconds to fully usable, and so is win7. your hardware wasn't balanced. but yes, win7 works much more gently on such unbalanced systems.

Well, he does have a bit of a point here. On my M90, which I considered, and still consider, a very capable and well-balanced machine, I would have significant hard disk activity for about five minutes after booting. Not to go too much into the details, it turns out that this was SuperFetch working hard on figuring out which one of the thousands of executables and libraries it should load. For this machine, I could log in right after booting, and the machine was usable in the strict sense of the word, but it was noticeably slow until SuperFetch was done. This is something that Win7 has vastly improved on, and it's a clear benefit.

HOWEVER, I am not in the habit of constantly rebooting my machines, so that issue has always been of very limited relevance to me. But, if for whatever reason a user has a scenario where s/he often has to shutdown and restart the laptop, this makes a difference. And, yes, you could always tell people to hibernate rather than perform a shutdown, but, as you know, I am not the one to tell people how to use their computers...

P.S.: And of course, your SSD will solve the disk-thrashing of SuperFetch for good.

[flynnaz]

Win 7 had no problem detecting hardware right out of the box, even dated hardware, I think MS learned a lot from Vista.

[Pirx]

You seem to be contradicting yourself there;

Nope, he isn't: Like he said, that non-running process can immediately serve me when I need it, and costs me nothing while it is dormant.

[makaveli72]

Bien que je sois damné, j'ai peut-être eu un trop grand nombre de Heinekens ce soir. Encore une fois, Meilleurs vœux à vous deux. Que le mec bourré dégriser. Adieu!

[flynnaz]

Have a beer for me too