Windows 8 secure boot spells trouble for Linux

[Hungry Man]

Originally Posted by weinter

Secure Boot is a stupid idea.
Malware will eventually find its way around it while the only person it locks up are the users.
You can never protect idi0ts from themselves. And you should never do that at the expense of handicapping power users it is unfair.

You really couldn't be more wrong. Security companies were crying about PatchGuard too and it has drastically reduced the number of rootkit infections on 64bit Windows systems.

Yeah, Malware will make use of exploits. Grats, you've realized that no security solution is perfect. That's why you layer it on. You're on linux, don't know you about apparmor and selinux? Do you think those are infallible? They have vulnerabilties just like Patchguard and secureboot will.

It's been said for months that this won't lock linux users out though. MS came out and said this.

[weinter]

Originally Posted by Hungry Man

You really couldn't be more wrong. Security companies were crying about PatchGuard too and it has drastically reduced the number of rootkit infections on 64bit Windows systems.

Yeah, Malware will make use of exploits. Grats, you've realized that no security solution is perfect. That's why you layer it on. You're on linux, don't know you about apparmor and selinux? Do you think those are infallible? They have vulnerabilties just like Patchguard and secureboot will.

It's been said for months that this won't lock linux users out though. MS came out and said this.

MS said they LEAVE it to OEMs to implement the lock.
And you think they make their decisions based on the welfare of users or the sound of money?
Do you know that Windows 7 license is BIOS tagged, what if the genuine state is tied to enabled secure boot state only?
So everytime you want to boot Windows you have to enable back secure boot or it won't be genuine? How do you like the sound of that.
The full implementation is uncertain so I will not accept any pacifying statements until a demo is out.

[Hungry Man]

welfare of users or the sound of money?

Do you somehow believe that the two are mutually exclusive?

How do you like the sound of that.

It sounds a whole lot like baseless suspicions that directly contradict what MS has already said about the feature.

[Vogelbung]

Originally Posted by Hungry Man

You really couldn't be more wrong. Security companies were crying about PatchGuard too and it has drastically reduced the number of rootkit infections on 64bit Windows systems.

Yeah, Malware will make use of exploits. Grats, you've realized that no security solution is perfect. That's why you layer it on. You're on linux, don't know you about apparmor and selinux? Do you think those are infallible? They have vulnerabilties just like Patchguard and secureboot will.

It's been said for months that this won't lock linux users out though. MS came out and said this.

/thread. There is no conspiracy, as much as the persecution-complexed Linux nerds (jeez, man up) may like to believe otherwise.

[boerd]

Originally Posted by weinter

And you think they make their decisions based on the welfare of users or the sound of money?

1.
That's not even a question. Money - that's all that matters. Of course next quarter's results are most important so they (OEMs) will implement whatever is cheap.
And if you ever thought M$ gives a rat's aaarse about their customers - think about Vista (or other M$ abortions)
People got used to buying junk. Sad but true.
2.
M$ is a honest corporation looking out for their customers.
No evil - 90% of the desktop market is not a monopoly. Not in US.
Enough said.

[Hungry Man]

lmao is that a real post

[ALLurGroceries]

This thread is closed. Too bad an informed discussion didn't happen.