MacBook Pro 2012 - a better Thinkpad?

[Kaso]

For some reason, Lenovo seems to be earning more money by the Year.

Hah! Whatever it takes.

[fraushai]

For some reason, Lenovo seems to be earning more money by the Year.

I am a very big Fan of the old ThinkPads too. I really love my 600X, but times have changed. Hardly anyone wants that kind of a machine, especially not at such high prices. A good 600X used to cost 10000$+ at its time. The same thing happened to the X300. It's actually a great Notebook, but way too expensive and too weak for most users.

Nowdays most people want lots of power for as cheap as possible.

Yes, lots of people want cheap laptops. Asus, Samsung, Dell and even Ideapads are for them.

But there are also people who want good laptops who don't mind paying more. Thinkpads used to be an option but not anymore. Now, only the Apple RMBP and the Sony Z are legit options

Hah! Whatever it takes.

Seriously, I don't mind if Lenovo diversifies the thinkpad line (as if there aren't enough models now) to broaden their consumer base.

What I want is that they retain the original thinkpad in a separate line meant for enthusiasts - that's where the RMBP stands. And don't forget that Apple is making more money year by year as well...

[XX55XX]

Seriously, I don't mind if Lenovo diversifies the thinkpad line (as if there aren't enough models now) to broaden their consumer base.

What I want is that they retain the original thinkpad in a separate line meant for enthusiasts - that's where the RMBP stands. And don't forget that Apple is making more money year by year as well...

Lenovo used to do that. I recall a number of Thinkpad models selling for well over $2,000 back in the day. Now, they don't exist anymore.

[fraushai]

Lenovo used to do that. I recall a number of Thinkpad models selling for well over $2,000 back in the day. Now, they don't exist anymore.

This is very sad. To me the thinkpad closest to perfection was the X301, but the processing power was too weak for my purposes or else i would've stocked on it..

[ibmthink]

Transfer the cost to consumer, as an option. Lenovo will happily charge $250 upgrade fee to replace their HD with FHD screen.

Thats not so easy. They would have to redesign the complete chassis to offer this upgrade option. This is far to expensive and their main target (business) would not pay the premium price.

Lenovo has not the money and not the costumers that Apple has.

I recall a number of Thinkpad models selling for well over $2,000 back in the day. Now, they don't exist anymore.

Yes, because you can´t money with notebooks that cost over 2000$...

[600X]

Yes, lots of people want cheap laptops. Asus, Samsung, Dell and even Ideapads are for them.

But there are also people who want good laptops who don't mind paying more. Thinkpads used to be an option but not anymore. Now, only the Apple RMBP and the Sony Z are legit options

I wouldn't say they aren't an Option anymore. I am also not happy about the way the have become, but if you compare them to other crap you find at Best Buy or whatever (Acer etc.), you'll be happy they still exist.

There are always people who are willing to pay more, but if it's only a minority, it wouldn't gain Lenovo any Profit. In the end, it's all just about money anyway.

The main Buyers of ThinkPads are companies, and they don't really care about 16:10 and stuff like that. If it's cheap, reliable, has some good backup Software and an Ethernet Port (ThinkPads fit into that category), then it's a buy. Otherwise they would just go for similar Dells or HP's.

This is very sad. To me the thinkpad closest to perfection was the X301, but the processing power was too weak for my purposes or else i would've stocked on it..

Yes, I really love the X301 too, and if they had continued it up to the X303 (2011), Sandy-Bridge would have really made a huge difference in processing power, while still staing very cool, even under heavy load Situations. Just add an ExpressCard slot and my perfect ThinkPad awaits. I wouldn't even have minded the average Screen. Res is OK and its bright. That's all I need.

[fraushai]

Thats not so easy. They would have to redesign the complete chassis to offer this upgrade option. This is far to expensive and their main target (business) would not pay the premium price.

As an optimistic person, I propose that we should focus our discussion on what lenovo should do as opposed to explaining why lenovo has failed to do (yet again)...

[Kaso]

Thats not so easy. They would have to redesign the complete chassis to offer this upgrade option. This is far to expensive and their main target (business) would not pay the premium price.

What are you talking about? Complete chassis redesign? The T/W510/520 configs have been offering the FHD 1920x1080 upgrade for $250. And orders have been placed.

Enough drama already.

... as opposed to explaining why lenovo has failed to do

Right.

[fraushai]

I wouldn't say they aren't an Option anymore. I am also not happy about the way the have become, but if you compare them to other crap you find at Best Buy or whatever (Acer etc.), you'll be happy they still exist.

There are always people who are willing to pay more, but if it's only a minority, it wouldn't gain Lenovo any Profit. In the end, it's all just about money anyway.

The main Buyers of ThinkPads are companies, and they don't really care about 16:10 and stuff like that. If it's cheap, reliable, has some good backup Software and an Ethernet Port (ThinkPads fit into that category), then it's a buy. Otherwise they would just go for similar Dells or HP's.

If thinkpads lose their uniqueness, they'll ultimately lose to their cheaper competitors like Dell or HP. I would say that the 2010/11 TPs are still better than the rest, but the 2012 ones are not.

[ibmthink]

What are you talking about? Complete chassis redesign?

Putting a 16:10 display in ThinkPads as an option would require a complete redesign of the chassis.

As an optimistic person, I propose that we should focus our discussion on what lenovo should do as opposed to explaining why lenovo has failed to do (yet again)...

Ok: Lenovo should not follow Apple to a Retina display IMHO.