The hypothetical T430s - Who's getting one?

[lead_org]

i would think T430s would use the same type of screen as the old T420s. It would make sense for them to use old parts. But given the new keyboard update, anything is possible.

if the T430s comes out, there is a possibility that either X2 or T430u won't come out.

[XX55XX]

They can keep Tbolt. Just give me a better display than my X1! I am very interested in this. BTW, I love the keyboard in my X1. Not sure what they call it, but it is way better than Dell, Asus, Toshiba or Apple keyboards. Cannot for the life of me understand why the above mentioned others do not copy this awesome keyboard.

It doesn't have seven rows, like the old beveled keyboards. Otherwise, I do prefer chiclet keyboards myself.

[Thors.Hammer]

i would think T430s would use the same type of screen as the old T420s. It would make sense for them to use old parts. But given the new keyboard update, anything is possible.

if the T430s comes out, there is a possibility that either X2 or T430u won't come out.

Everything is speculation until Lenovo makes an official announcement. Heck, until some machines get in the hands of some reviewers and customers it will be speculation.

If Lenovo doesn't improve their screens, I won't be buying one. There are other machines on the market that better fit my needs.

[XX55XX]

Everything is speculation until Lenovo makes an official announcement. Heck, until some machines get in the hands of some reviewers and customers it will be speculation.

If Lenovo doesn't improve their screens, I won't be buying one. There are other machines on the market that better fit my needs.

I find the screens to be adequate enough. Color reproduction is average, but for office work, web browsing, and the occasional game, they are fine. I'd much rather see a Thunderbolt port, a more dense battery, better discrete graphics, etc.

[Thors.Hammer]

I find the screens to be adequate enough. Color reproduction is average, but for office work, web browsing, and the occasional game, they are fine. I'd much rather see a Thunderbolt port, a more dense battery, better discrete graphics, etc.

We all have our own priorities. For 2012 my top priority is a stellar LCD panel on my personal use notebook. Samsung is making some killer PLS screens and they are already on the market in the NP900X3B. The Lenovo screens are not adequate for my personal use device.

I don't think some of your priorities aren't going to get met in 2012.

If the rumors are true you can forget Thunderbolt. They act like they are doing us a favor for putting USB 3.0 in the silicon this year. Let's hope the Intel code is better than what we got from the NEC/Renesas code.

Discrete graphics? Good luck with that on a T430S. I don't know why they even bother with NVIDIA if the Intel HD 4000 can really display on three displays.

[XX55XX]

What is your line of work? I suppose if you are a photographer or graphic artist, I can understand why good screens that reproduce color accurately to the last pixel are needed. But, for the rest of us, these average TN panels suffice, and that is why most notebook manufacturers don't bother much with screens - most consumers don't care.

As for discrete graphics, they are important to me because I game. Intel's latest effort is a huge step forward, but it's still somewhat behind the curve, particularly in terms of drivers. I suspect Haswell will be when Intel finally displays its prowess in graphics, but till then, I'd like to see more powerful discrete options that fit within the thermal envelope of the T430s.

[ha1o2surfer]

What is your line of work? I suppose if you are a photographer or graphic artist, I can understand why good screens that reproduce color accurately to the last pixel are needed. But, for the rest of us, these average TN panels suffice, and that is why most notebook manufacturers don't bother much with screens - most consumers don't care.

As for discrete graphics, they are important to me because I game. Intel's latest effort is a huge step forward, but it's still somewhat behind the curve, particularly in terms of drivers. I suspect Haswell will be when Intel finally displays its prowess in graphics, but till then, I'd like to see more powerful discrete options that fit within the thermal envelope of the T430s.

I'm with him on this. Intel's HD card, on paper, looks very powerful but they lack the specials features that games need. Sure you can run your COD4 on Intels HD card but scalability sucks and it all depends on the RAM. If some cheap company puts in slow ram in your laptop then the game will Suffer. Running Just Cause 2 on my Intel 3000 gets barely 5FPS in the same settings my 4200m gets at 45-50. So, for me, Intel better show me they better support games in drivers (which I admit, they have been proactively fixing bugs in games better lately) but.. I will still stick with my nVidia card.

[Thors.Hammer]

What is your line of work? I suppose if you are a photographer or graphic artist, I can understand why good screens that reproduce color accurately to the last pixel are needed. But, for the rest of us, these average TN panels suffice, and that is why most notebook manufacturers don't bother much with screens - most consumers don't care.

As for discrete graphics, they are important to me because I game. Intel's latest effort is a huge step forward, but it's still somewhat behind the curve, particularly in terms of drivers. I suspect Haswell will be when Intel finally displays its prowess in graphics, but till then, I'd like to see more powerful discrete options that fit within the thermal envelope of the T430s.

High quality IPS, PLS or other screen technologies are desired on my personal machine because I spend a lot of time using it and it cuts eye fatigue dramatically. I prefer better color, contrast, blacks, brightness, etc. Clearly consumers do care. You might want to check and see what is happening in the slate market for proof. That is spilling over into the notebook market as well.

Photography and HD video are both often used scenarios for my machines. However, I would not buy a T430S for that workflow. I use a quad powered portable workstation for field work, and a desktop workstation for real work.

As for your gaming requirement, Lenovo has already demonstrated they simply don't care. I mean seriously, are you in denial on that? Look at the T400S, T410S and T420S. The T400S and T410S screens were good but the GPUs were feeble for gaming. The T420S screen is crap and the GPUs were only fair.

You really think the T430S is going to be a solution for your needs?

As long as you keep buying their product, they'll be happy to take your money and laugh all the way to the bank. Until you pick something else that meets your needs, they won't get the message. And Lenovo NEEDS to get a clue badly.

[XX55XX]

Well, I wouldn't complain if Lenovo offered higher quality screens at the right price. I would love to see better contrast on these screens, for one. I would buy them simply as a plus. But, you must remember that Lenovo is a primarily Chinese company, and the Chinese mantra is to cut margins and costs of production to the bone in order to gain market share.

The NVS 4200M is not a bad chip, depending on the rendering workflow. I have played Battlefield 3 on it. It's not as good as playing on my desktop computer with its GTX 560 Ti, but it still offered an adequate framerate. It was better than what the HD 3000 could pump out.

[ha1o2surfer]

High quality IPS, PLS or other screen technologies are desired on my personal machine because I spend a lot of time using it and it cuts eye fatigue dramatically. I prefer better color, contrast, blacks, brightness, etc. Clearly consumers do care. You might want to check and see what is happening in the slate market for proof. That is spilling over into the notebook market as well.

Photography and HD video are both often used scenarios for my machines. However, I would not buy a T430S for that workflow. I use a quad powered portable workstation for field work, and a desktop workstation for real work.

As for your gaming requirement, Lenovo has already demonstrated they simply don't care. I mean seriously, are you in denial on that? Look at the T400S, T410S and T420S. The T400S and T410S screens were good but the GPUs were feeble for gaming. The T420S screen is crap and the GPUs were only fair.

You really think the T430S is going to be a solution for your needs?

As long as you keep buying their product, they'll be happy to take your money and laugh all the way to the bank. Until you pick something else that meets your needs, they won't get the message. And Lenovo NEEDS to get a clue badly.

I don't know if it's just Lenovo though. The next GPU that is rumored to be in the T430 will be the NVS 5200m which holds the same specs as the GT525m (except being non fermi), which is a low end gaming card (or middle class) the memory speeds and specs will be the same as my old Toshibas 525m which ran games realllly well. They have to balance out the weight and size in regards to the GPU power and heat output AND.. they don't want to take away from their Wxxx series models either lol also.. I think it's still progress because the 5200m is the same card as the 1000m in the W520 ,they are both based on Fermi so it will outperform my old 525m. So I am still excited on that part. They want to keep the price the same by reusing as many old designs as possible so revamping the cooling system will raise the price enough to make it out of reach for people upgrading or going towards the old T420 instead of the T430. So there are alot of variables to give care too. Even if not for gaming, it's all a step forward to keep the performance faster than previous gen and keep battery life and price down all while keeping us picky people happy. (as best they can)