*HP 2510p Owners Lounge*

[thomas.hoo]

Originally Posted by thomas.hoo

Bought one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/ws/eBayISAPI....m=220266443757
SATA 2nd HDD caddy for DELL 9300/9400/ XPS M1210 from smk312
Too thick, so removed metal top-plate and took a dremel to the plastic to thin it down. Also removed bottom metal plate.
Same problems with not being recognised as reported, but intermittently it would work... very odd.
Then I noticed the casing on the 2510p is mg rather than plastic as I'd assumed: the drive was shorting out. Put a bit of plastic under drive and it works fine. It looks like the other caddy in this thread has a metal plate that would likely cause the same problem.


Western Digital WD5000BEVT - HD Scorpio/500GB 2.5'' SATA 5400rpm 8MB
Drive benchmarks fine (avg. 50MB/s), considering it is the OS drive. I did benchmark it in an external sata enclosure with the cardbus card referred to earlier in this thread and it was about 10MB/s quicker, and much more consistent.

Only problem is, I cloned the drive across using acronis and hibernate seems to now be buggered. I don't know if this is related for certain though. Sleep works OK, but upon hibernate the screen goes black, hd flashes but 30 sec later it wakes up. It never shuts off.

Tried various powercfg /h on, off etc to no effect.

Tom

Picture of circuitboard attached -- looks like the same chip as pictured earlier in this thread.

[thomas.hoo]

Originally Posted by nando4

phew!!I've also gone back and deleted my original posts where there has been a stack of painful quoting.

oward - by all means, feel free to use your machine as you please. I was curious. I hope that is OK with you? Just seems all very odd to me.. none of notebookelite's products work for you. Further too, your angelomiguel and chrixx's posts on the 2nd drive caddy all have cast doubt as to whether the notebookelite or the newmodeus SATA 2nd drive caddy could work in the 2510P. Also, your most recent post cast doubts into my mind too if the notebookelite external USB optical drive enclosure would work, with questionable material quality. The combination of doubt then suggests there may not be upgrade for the 2510P to a decently fast 2.5" drive solution?

howard.hoo - Thank you for pointing out to insulate it with plastic, though, the optical drive is metal too and it doesn't short anything. Strange that the caddy would. Geez.. talk about doing things the hard way.. shoehorning a 12.7mm caddy into a 9.5mm space. For other 2510P readers, there is no need to dremel any caddy's or pull out circuit boards... just buy the correct 9.5mm caddy to begin with, insert HDD drive and go. See the easy-to-follow 2.5" drive installation instructions via optical drive bay.

To dispel any doubts about the SATA caddy, it's great that accessories-less has the correct 9.5mm SATA and PATA caddy both at "Buy it now or make an offer", $20US and $10US pricing. Could offer the $20 SATA +shipping price where vendor includes the PATA circuit board as well. The product is advertised as "compatible with 2510P". I am quite confident that at the very least the PATA caddy works given it simply rewires the JAE50 connector to IDE.

Let's hope those 2510P's are still available on ebay for a netbook-like $350US. International warranty broadens the search.. May mean a few less sales of netbooks and much more expensive one-gen newer HP/Lenovo ultraportables.

Obviously if I had known the caddy was too thick I would not have bought it. I purchased it upon the incorrect (albeit well meaning) recommendation earlier in this thread, which predates the guide to which you refer.

Re. insulating the drive from the chassis, I am referring to shorting the drive itself. The ribs of the chassis casting were bridging the exposed circuitry on the base. I doubt a flat metal plate would short it out anyhow.

[oward]

@thomas.hoo : did you test with the 1.8" drive connected or not ?
if so, did you solve the master/slave issue ?

[jaxwithanx]

I've been following this thread quite closely and while I'm not sure I will have the technical expertise to pull off whatever solution is found....I have a sneaking suspicion I'll end up trying.

BTW - Anyone here have a 2510p/2530p 4-cell or 9-cell they could do without and looking to sell. The prices on eBay and varying resellers are just exorbitant. I have a 6-cell I wouldn't mind trading. Apparently you can't receive PM's (or at least I don't think) so E-Mail and maybe we can work something out.

[oward]

maybe a new option for us : http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...ress_ssd-sata_
and http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...ress_ssd-pata_
... and hoping that HP didn't locked the mini-PCIe to WWAN options only

32 GB SATA version is available at 99.99€ and PATA at 90.99€ (request to materiel.net webshop, delay 2-3 weeks) (thanks to them...)

[Jay2k1]

I have bought the MTRON 1.8" 32GB ZIF SSD (MSD-PATA3018-32-ZIF2) and I get as much as 70MB/s read/write. The machine is pretty fast now. Unfortunately I have some issue with it... see http://blog.jay2k1.com/2009/04/20/hp...ron-ssd-issue/

[act_dk]

Originally Posted by nando4

INFO: Setting Master/Slave on 1.8" ZIF and 2nd-drive caddy with 2.5" HDD/SDD


If the 1.8" ZIF and 2nd-drive caddy are not configured correctly you may a symptom such as
My new slimline drive is not detected by my notebook or: I get an IDE #1 (or other numbers) error

This tells us the 1.8" ZIF drive will *always* wants to be master, unless a firmware update is applied. So the suggestion of using the 2nd drive caddy *without* the 1.8" drive would likely reveal if the 1.8" drive needs a firmware update and/or caddy needs to be reconfigured for it to work.

Forcing Master or slave on the caddy (if there is no jumpers)
To get the 1.8" and 2.5" to work together, would need the caddy to be slave. Here's an idea of how to go about it, given that the caddy doesn't have any jumpers.



JAE50 connector - PIN 47 is cable-select (2nd pin from the top-left), shown here in forced MASTER mode

To force IDE master, open the caddy's case and short pin 47 (cable select) to pin 45 (ground) of the JAE-50 port. Use solder, pencil lead, a silver trace pen as shown here. Or use a wire without opening the case as shown above.

To force IDE slave, cut a very thin slice of cellophane tape that's slightly wider than the female terminal in the JAE-50 port. Use it to insulate pin #47 from making contact with the systemboard.

PIN 47: Device Config.(CSEL) OPEN=Slave, GND=Master

When the caddy is set as SLAVE, your 1.8" drive should be able to boot Vista and the the HDD in the 2nd drive caddy be recognized. Here is google translated a page that shows the JAE 50 pins if you require more details.

Any chance of posting pictures of the notebookelite caddy against the HP 2510P chassis?

Hi
I've recently bought a 2nd hand not working 2510p. The owner before me told me that he thought the harddrive was defect. At the time he bought it he had changed the original 4200rpm drive to a new 5400rpm Samsung - it worked for a time until it became defect. Well I bought it anyway!

I started of buying a CF to ZIF adapter, but that didn't work. Then I discovered that the connector cable to the motherboard was defect. I had some trouble finding a new one, but then I came across this thread and learned about pchub.com. Luckily they had a replica of the cable.

So I received the cable and the harddrive started perfectly - almost! It seems like there is a master/slave conflict between the harddrive and the optical drive. When the harddrive is connected the optical drive won't boot, but if I pull the harddrive out it boots fine. The boot order is set to optical before HDD.
Have anyone experienced anything like this? Could it be the new connector cable?

I would really like both the harddrive and the optical drive to work at the same time. Not really a fan of installing XP from USB

By the way I tried the above post on my optical drive - no succes (but it could be the pin not being fully isolated)

[ATG]

Guys, can you please stop quoting huge posts and/or images, this way the thread will be easier to browse and read, it's just a good forum etiquette.

Thank you

[act_dk]

Sorry about the quoting..

Well i got the 2510p for a nice price with 2yr remaining HP warranty (but since the HD is not original and the cable is broken by the user it won't cover). I think it's a great laptop with nice build quality compared to most netbooks - I have been using it with Ubuntu booted from an USB key before I got the harddisk cable. So I would still recommend it! And I like making broken stuff work

I can make it work without the optical drive inserted, but would really prefer if it worked. And then i don't have to buy an external optical drive (thats really the nicest thing about the 2510p compared to the Thinkpad X-series) and a cover for the bay

Here are some pictures of the harddisk, the new connector cable and the ZIF->CF adaptor

http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166600
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166601
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166602
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166603
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166604
http://peecee.dk/upload/view/166605

I wrote to pchub and asked if they had heard any similar experiences with the cable. They wrote back and told me that they had sold many cables with no complains. Could it be the optical drive maybe? or a problem with the motherboard?

[nando4]

Originally Posted by act_dk

Could it be the optical drive maybe? or a problem with the motherboard?

This info may be useful to resolve a Master/Slave issue between the Samsung 1.8" HDD and the optical drive assuming your ZIF cable is OK. To force Master mode on your Samsung HDD:

From the Hitachi 1.8" HDD specs:
DEVADR (pin 40) - The device is configured as either Device 0 (Master) or Device 1 (Slave) depending upon the signal level of 40 pin DEVADR signal.
- When used as Device 0 (Master), DEVADR is open
- When used as Device 1 (Slave), the host shall have pull-up resistor. Recommended pull-up resistor is 10K ohm based on +3.3Vcc.

The link suggesting some Samsung and Hitachi ZIF drive ignores the signal on pin 40 and always work as Master. Perhaps try again, this time placing cellophane tape over pin 40 on the ZIF cable. Your CF->ZIF adapter may have a master/slave jumper on it, in which case perhaps try it set to Master, or again isolate pin 40. Failing that, perhaps it's time to log a service call with HP?