Turion 64 x2 price?

[halperin]

When do you think a notebook with turion 64 x2 processor will be available and for how much?

[Lubi]

hopefully soon and cheap! )

quote(theinquirer.net):

"AMD IS GOING to launch Turion X2s in early May, and there will be four SKUs (stock keeping units).

It will introduce 1.6GHz/512Kx2, 1.8GHz/512Kx2, 2.0GHz/512Kx2 and last but not least a 1.6GHz/256Kx2 microprocessor.

All have an extremely low supply voltage of 1.075V, so power use should be pretty miserly.

There are two problems I see with these chips. First, they may have the same problem as the X2s, the cores are not independently powered or clocked. If this is the case battery life will suffer with compared to Yonah.

The other problem is availability. Yonah will have been ramping for two quarters by the time X2s hit, so initial availability may be pretty tight. µ "

[CoolHotCold]

When the Turions come out they will be followed closely by Conrow and the new Meroms. And according to the benchmarks out there it seems that the turion X2 doesn't offer any increased preformance in single threded applications. Unlike the Yonah's who offered a 20-30% increase in preformace in single threaded applications.

[santasballz]

though turion x2 will definitely be cheaper than it's intel counter part. i can guarantee you that.

a lot cheaper in fact...

[itguy]

When the Turions come out they will be followed closely by Conrow and the new Meroms.

Lies. Intel is shooting for August for Merom but based on Yonah's paper launch release date of early January, it was almost 2 months later until you could actually find Yonah in stores. So realistically, you won't be able to get one until November or later.

And according to the benchmarks out there it seems that the turion X2 doesn't offer any increased preformance in single threded applications.

Lies again. True benchmarks are not out yet for this family of processors.
Here's some benchmarks of the single core Turions. There is also a performance per dollar analysis which shows that the Turions are unbeatable in performance per dollar spent.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article300-page2.html
http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1.../index.x?pg=13

Unlike the Yonah's who offered a 20-30% increase in preformace in single threaded applications.

More Lies. Link please to back up your claims. 20-30% faster than a melting P4 is still slower than a Turion.
Turions Beat Pentium M's by about 8-10%.
http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1.../index.x?pg=13
Duo's beat Pentium M's by about the same amount in single threaded applications. Since it has a second core, in multithreaded benchmarks Duo's can add another 10% to it, but most everyapplication today doesn't utilize a second core.

Further, per dollar spent, single core Turions have the best performance per dollar due to the high cost of the core and Pentium M processors. All those Intel advertising dollars are priced into the their CPU's so the consumer pays more. Dual core Turions will also have a performance per dollar advantage and overall performance advantage. Lastly, when you use 64bit benchmarks or a 64bit OS, all the Turions get another 15-20% raw cpu performance boost over the 32bit only core duos and Pentium M's. Merom (not out till end of the year) is supposed to be 64bits but it will use EM64T which is 64bit emulation and slower than true 64bit processing.

Another very strong reason to wait for a Turion X2 is that this platform is based on the AM2 socket which will allow you to buy a Quad core Turion in 2007 and then simply drop it into the slot and upgrade your 64bit laptop to a Quad core 64bit laptop.

You can't do that with anything but the new AM2 socket laptops.

[tti_7]

Another very strong reason to wait for a Turion X2 is that this platform is based on the AM2 socket which will allow you to buy a Quad core Turion in 2007 and then simply drop it into the slot and upgrade your 64bit laptop to a Quad core 64bit laptop.

You can't do that with anything but the new AM2 socket laptops.

AM2 is the new AMD *desktop* socket for DDR2 support; besides a new memory controller, little has changed over the present CPU designs. However, AMD did hint of newer designs to be announced on June 1.

The Turion X2 will use the Socket S1. AM2 socket laptops would still be possible for the "luggables".

As for quad-core on AM2 or S1, that would be reading tea leaves. The only quad-cores even whispered at this time are server based Opterons - which would be on the upcoming Socket F. The much anticipated public demo of quad-core is rumored to happen in early June.

[CoolHotCold]

Funny.. I'm sure there are laptops with build dates of december with the Yonah. Ohh yea there is.
German yes i know. Funny. Turions x2 are arround the corner and no reliable benchmarks.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1...4/index.x?pg=1
So comparing a 2.4GHz turion against a 2GHz Intel M is fair? Clock for Clock P-M 2GHz is on par and wins some benchmarks and looses some benchmarks
http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/detail.php?id=17

You need 64Bit processor right now to do what... Run windows XP pro 64bit or a flavor of linux. Granted releasing any mobile 64bit processors before vista is stupid. A few months before i can understand to tweak bugs..
Ohh i would love to see when quad core Turions are comming out, as they havn't even announced desktop counterparts.
And proof for the EM64T for Merom. Linkies please.

T2500 (2GHz) PCmark 05 CPU score of 4346
P M 760 (2GHz) PCmark 05 CPU score of 3,258
seems like 25% increase

[boon27]

well about 1vcore on a cpu is gonna be a hit...speed isnt the best thing nowadays for general users...seriously...I bet amd knows what they really doing hehe

[itguy]

CoolHotCold: "Granted releasing any mobile 64bit processors before vista is stupid. "



Unless you are going to throw away the laptop that you buy today (before Vista), then considering it's performance improvements when running Vista 64 is a necessary and worthwhile comparison. For most users, the computer they choose to buy today will be the computer they will be using for the next 3 years or longer. Based on SiSandra benchmark software, you can expect to gain an additional 15-20% in raw cpu performance by running Windows XP 64bit edition. It would be reasonable to expect a similar and potentially greater benefit to performance when comparing Vista 64 on a 64bitcpu (ex. Turion, Athlon, Opteron, Sempron, Merom, Conroe...) vs. Vista 32 on a identically clocked 32bit cpu (ex. Core Duo, Pentium M, Pentium 4).

Further, those that run out and buy core duo laptops today and want to run Vista when it is released will only be able to run the 32bit version which uses "emulation" to run the 32bit programs. It will probably be significantly slower than just staying on XP for those 32bit laptop purchasers.

So a very important benchmark comparison to run today would be to benchmark a Turion running XP64 edition vs. a Turion X2 running XP64 Edition vs. a Core Duo running XP, vs a Core Solo running XP vs a Pentium M running XP.

[CoolHotCold]

For those who want to run out and buy Vista oviously want the latest of everything so they will either buy a new notebook or buy Merom due to the pin to pin compatibility.

I would love to see turion vs turion etc benchmarks. No doubt 64bit will make a diffrence.

XP64 was just recompiled to run in 64bit mode. Not a good enhancement over 32 bit. Too many bugs atm anyway.

But to the original question.. No idea and i would suggest waiting till you "needed" 64bit