G73JH running a MSI 5870m

[tijo]

Hmm, you'll probably find out when switching back to the asus GPU. As for the 6970m, if i get a laptop with a 6970 then sure i'll try it but i won't buy the GPU just to find out it doesn't work with no possibility of returning it. 430euros at MXM upgrade. If i knew for sure it would work it would already be in the laptop .

[jmhdj]

And maybe flashing the Asus vBIOS will brick the card...




The G73JH tends already pretty hot As far as I know, and the heatsink doesn't seem to apply a lot of pressure on the die as far as I heard, so heat might be an issue.

However, there's not only the TDP to worry about, also the BIOS compatibility. Some examples... some guys put the 6970m in the Alienware M17x r2 and the card did work, but the fans didn't (good thing you can control the fans manually on this machine thanks to mumak). Inap tried to put a 470m in a M15x... but the card only stayed at 2d clocks and never got to 3d clocks... you see what I mean.

Only way to know it is to put the card in and try... you can't just say you're sure it will work.

True true. Nice reasoning but I did already explained why our cards run hotter then on other systems. For rest of your comments they are totally correct. Nothing is sure when we talk about laptop parts upgrading. Only way is to try and fail

Just flashed the Asus vBIOS.
No problems.
But fans still running full speed.
Damn loud
CPU @25°C GPU@31°C

Is this the ASUS-"Forget-about-upgrade-mechanism"?
Could this be affected by a wrong or forgotten reassemble part?

Dont think so. What is shown in bios now in field of gpu information?

Maybe if you reinstall video driver and CCC

[DH48]

Thats good to hear man

Now were are all the ppl who said that i can not be done and it does not support the card etc. This is good to hear. This means that the HD6000 series will be a plug and boot up if we get a vbios. Now only need asus to get a asus notebook with the card.


And again well done. You realy have made my day

[@tilla]

Dont think so. What is shown in bios now in field of gpu information?



Maybe if you reinstall video driver and CCC

Isn't a driver issue. Fans running fast from turn on.
The EC thinks there is something wrong maybe. But it isn't temp related.
Uff...
Also tested BIOS 211 - the same.

For short I don't want to redo the Asus card. And when, i will left it there.

[jmhdj]

Then thats bad thing. Bios not recognises msi card fully. Can you compare device id before and after vbios flashing on msi card?

[DCx]

Now were are all the ppl who said that i can not be done and it does not support the card etc.

Now we are? we're? or where? Not sure.

Anyways, I'm here. I said it couldn't be done. And although it sort-of works, it's not quite a drop-in replacement, and it has only been shown to work with an identical GPU, different manufacturer. I still wouldn't consider this an "upgrade", and I'd still consider it "not-done" until the fans are figured out.

I'm sure others had tried, and there was one report of an asus card working in an MSI - so we already knew that asus didn't reverse MXM it this time. Now we have a report of an MSI working in an asus.

[DH48]

Now we are? we're? or where? Not sure.

Anyways, I'm here. I said it couldn't be done. And although it sort-of works, it's not quite a drop-in replacement, and it has only been shown to work with an identical GPU, different manufacturer. I still wouldn't consider this an "upgrade", and I'd still consider it "not-done" until the fans are figured out.

I'm sure others had tried, and there was one report of an asus card working in an MSI - so we already knew that asus didn't reverse MXM it this time. Now we have a report of an MSI working in an asus.

Well the fan problem might be only a vBios problem and might not be. As i understand then even if you send your notebooks to mxm-upgrade they would have to make a custom vbios or rework it.


The reason why bios does not recognise could be that asus might have but somesort of a lock(might be a hardware or a firmware lock) on it like some companys but a locked bootloader on android phones. But good news it that it can be cracked .....might not be the best example but what i want to say is. This is a small step to a fully functional swap.

The fact ppl said it will not even work was on reason why no one before even tried to test it. Now that it boots there is a nother step and that is to get the fans on. At leat ppl want to test new things. It might not happon today or in 2 weeks or might not even happon but at leat then we will get a full answer



Question to @tilla do the fans speed up as soon as you power on ?

[@tilla]

Question to @tilla do the fans speed up as soon as you power on ?

Yes.

Which other option is there to try?

[DH48]

Hmm well as its asus who did not plan on having a nother card in there it could be hardcoded in to the motherboards bios(the fan speed) and for you with the MSI card it is running in safe mode. Its kind of like a cars ECU in safe mode, runs with a to rich fuel mix.

Migh as well be an extra thermal sensor on the asus GPU that MSI does not have or even a different type of thermal sensor ( but if thats the case then the temps should show wrong)

To me the MSI card seems to be in a safe mode, runs good but rich (fan speed).

Might even be a chip on the GPU that tells the motherboard "yes im a ASUS GPU" . Best solution ?..... Trial and error method

[@tilla]

So, i've put back the Asus card.
All is working normal again.
It must be a detection mechanism over pin or something else which let the board (BIOS) to switch into a safe or error mode. But it's strange. The gpu is fully working. Powerplay, no slow down. Just the fans gone wild.
This isn't really satisfying in the name of upgrading to the 6970m. Imo you can't be happy to have it run probably with the lack of this issue.

Will update the first post with some more information and pics soon.

Btw:
I must have done a really good paste job now (MX-3).
Furmark after 15 min.
TSS0: 73
TSS1: 79
TSS2: 74
GPU fan max. 3700rpm