Thermals on Macbook Pro Retina (longish post)

[philosofix]

I had a MBP-R. It is a lovely machine. If you see the screen, everything else is blurry. There is a problem as mentioned in this post. I sent mine back due to this reason and and quite happy to have the very cool running MBP 2012.

The MBP 2012 while rendering, runs cooler than my much older 1st gen MBP sitting idle in Bootcamp.

The MBP-R runs cooler and moderately acceptable in OSX, still quite high, though hit 104C in Windows 7 Pro X64.

It failed to install my 2 Autodesk Suites several times in Bootcamp. I tried to run it from the network, USB3 drive, USB2 stick, and HD. Very strange.

I had the 2.7 w.512HD and 16GB Mem. This also what I have in my Classic version MBP 2012, with the exception of the mem and HD, it's on it's way, it has a 128 GB SSD with 8 GB mem.

I used Cinebench, Modo, Maya 2013, 3ds Max 2013, C4D 12 and 13.

I really didn't do too much rendering in Maya or Max due to the microscopic gui even at 200% scaling, which makes some parts of the Windows experience on par with the Retina OSX, except you see it at 2880X1800.

The temps so far on the Classic MBP 2012 have not exceeded 65C, I am still testing. The cooler they run, the faster they run due to the thermal throttling the base clock.

My OWC adapter for the 2nd bay is coming, along with the 16GB mem, so I can install Bootcamp and see the results.

The CPU Cinebench was 7.04 and the GPU was about 35.9. No overclock. on the Vlassic, slightly faster then the MBP-R.

It is also the 1650x1080 Anti-glare screen.

I'll post more. I am a 3D Artist and need the fastest, this will follow with a Dell M6700, though I am glad to replace my aged MBP.

TheClassic MBP is a very cool running machine. I really did not want to send the MBP-R back, though I don't think it is ready for those who want to push it creatively, not speaking overclocks, that should only be for desktops.

For a surfer and occasional user even with Bootcamp, the MBP-R is the way to go, though that new XPS is looker too.

The OP was about high Therms, the Retina will be too hot for you I imagine.

[Karamazovmm]

Heatpipes and fanfares, unless physics have been broken will play a huge part in temperatures. I have yet to see a fairly large load on the laptop.
I don't really see 3dmark vantage utilizing a true 100% of the GPU/CPU, compared to say cinabench, ibt, or furmark. What I want to see is if the heatsink will become saturated over a short amount of time (5-10 minutes) or will it take longer?

Quite a nice overclock congratz.

Could anyone run tests with p95 and furmark and track the temperatures and clock speeds for both?
I am hoping to get numbers from this thread.

Pulling power from the battery is a new one to me. Personally it's counter intuitive, why introduce another large source of power to provide power to the laptop from the battery. (battery discharges, requires quite a bit of power from the adapter to recharge). Say that it is true and maybe the battery is put on hold for recharging, are you supposed to be limited to using the laptop for only 1-2 hours before the battery dies off? Come on.\
Anyways 85w should be sufficient to power the MBP+R given the fact they are using fairly efficient parts and lacking a part or two (mechanical hdd, optical drive using flash storage/ integrated ram.

You missed the point, if you take a look at the heatpipe, its shared between the gpu, cpu and the 2 fans. When you stress one of the components the other is essentially going to suffer from it. And that was a very heavy overclock 15% on core and 27% on vram.

The guy who did this, lowered the clocks for daily basis gaming. The temps are much lower on the cpu side after that, they are in the 70-85c range now, which I do find quite acceptable, since this is the only time that Im stressing both the cpu and the gpu

Wow you managed to clock it 35MHz higher than the W110ER's 1GHz?

I guess with any MBP, you must take off the bottom cover for gaming. Get the pentalobe screwdriver from iFixit.

this is done on a GDDR5 650m not a DDR3 equipped one, the clocks are supposed to be much lower

[Crimsoned]

You missed the point, if you take a look at the heatpipe, its shared between the gpu, cpu and the 2 fans. When you stress one of the components the other is essentially going to suffer from it. And that was a very heavy overclock 15% on core and 27% on vram.

The guy who did this, lowered the clocks for daily basis gaming. The temps are much lower on the cpu side after that, they are in the 70-85c range now, which I do find quite acceptable, since this is the only time that Im stressing both the cpu and the gpu



this is done on a GDDR5 650m not a DDR3 equipped one, the clocks are supposed to be much lower

Shared heatpipes are okay provided there are enough heat pipes (preferably 3-4), hence my point about the amount, I understood what you said.
Downclocking is not an option.

Mr. MM would you be willing to volunteer running P95/furmark together for maybe 5-10 minutes while monitoring the clock speeds, and thermals?

[Karamazovmm]

Shared heatpipes are okay provided there are enough heat pipes (preferably 3-4), hence my point about the amount, I understood what you said.
Downclocking is not an option.

Mr. MM would you be willing to volunteer running P95/furmark together for maybe 5-10 minutes while monitoring the clock speeds, and thermals?

I would, if I had one. Im inclined to buy one next year, haswell + whatever gpu they put in there should provide solid performance for me, with less heat problems

[au2te3]

Mr. MM would you be willing to volunteer running P95/furmark together for maybe 5-10 minutes while monitoring the clock speeds, and thermals?

The same thing is interesting for cMBP too.
Please owners of rMBP and cMBP, do this small test.

[joer80]

philosofix, That is weird that it will not install your 2 Autodesk Suites in bootcamp... I cant get several games working with my rMBP. (Age of empires online will not launch at all after it installs, and Everquest 2 spins out of control when you left click.)

Hoping its driver related and the next version of bootcamp fixes it!

[DVCal]

I had a late 2009 MBP both the CPU and GPU would regularly hit over 90c, even surffing the web would see temps over 70 for both.

[philosofix]

I did manage to get the Suites to install on the Classic MBP.

One problem for both is the Suites are deeply embedded in folders, though one of the methods worked for the Classic.

The Retina is a dream screen and one day all will be ironed out.

The release of ML may fix all or most of what ails it, with the exception of software, browsers, etc, being ported to reap the Retina rewards.

One thing I find strange is noone really has said too much about the Classic.

I have the 2.7 with 2 SSD's it really does scream. Not the best for 3D (rendering anyway), but for most all else it's really good. Most of all, unlike many before it, including the old MBP to my left, frying eggs, it really is the coolest, even more so than the Retina. Either way you can't go go wrong.

[Aikimox]

I did manage to get the Suites to install on the Classic MBP.

One problem for both is the Suites are deeply embedded in folders, though one of the methods worked for the Classic.

The Retina is a dream screen and one day all will be ironed out.

The release of ML may fix all or most of what ails it, with the exception of software, browsers, etc, being ported to reap the Retina rewards.

One thing I find strange is noone really has said too much about the Classic.

I have the 2.7 with 2 SSD's it really does scream. Not the best for 3D (rendering anyway), but for most all else it's really good. Most of all, unlike many before it, including the old MBP to my left, frying eggs, it really is the coolest, even more so than the Retina. Either way you can't go go wrong.

First, let's wait and see if there's going to be a 100% software support. Plus, I'm not too happy about the glossy finish and no wide gamut. As is, the panel looks exactly as my M18x screen. Same level of reflections (without the Edge to Edge glass) + 100% sRGB. The only bonus is the higher res, which is too much for my eyes anyway. It's good for images and supported games though, no denying, but I'd rather have more colors @ FHD.