M18x ? News article looks bogus

[Ashtefere]

To me, the fact that the R2 is still available for purchase tells me that the M18x is coming.

They have an M11x (high mobility), M15x (medium mobility) M17xR3 (low mobility, decent performance cheaper than the old R2???) and the M17xR2 (lowest mobillity, highest performance).

Now, we know dell. They looooove to milk the cash. Pricing a new product lower than an old product, and leaving the old product up for sale - smells way fishy.

No, the M17xR3 is a bigger screen M15x. The M18x will be the next R2. Ill bet money on it.

-Ash

[SOS4DELL]

These leaks wont hurt R3 sales, the R3 weaknesses will hurt R3 sales. If it wasnt for the M18x, I would be seriously considering the R2 or X7200. I wont buy the R3 in any case!

My friends and I neither!

[Akari]

You forgot to mention that the human eye can only recognise a certain number of frames per second anyway. It is obviously much lower than 50 or 60 or whatever a good gpu and cpu can manage these days. Probably closer to 30 to the eye.

And why would Dell want to close the blog/thread? If anything their disgraceful pricing in the UK needs to be highlighted as disgusting profiteering.

24 FPS (24p) is simply the hollywood minimum FPS for a movie to play back at to look jitter-free for cost-effective reasons. The human eye can detect well over 120 FPS.

FPS plays a much greater roll in gaming than in simply watching a movie, since as soon as interactivity is added it becomes almost impossible to play a game at 24 FPS since your cursor can't be aimed with any precision.

[granyte]

24 FPS (24p) is simply the hollywood minimum FPS for a movie to play back at to look jitter-free for cost-effective reasons. The human eye can detect well over 120 FPS.

FPS plays a much greater roll in gaming than in simply watching a movie, since as soon as interactivity is added it becomes almost impossible to play a game at 24 FPS since your cursor can't be aimed with any precision.

actualy at 24 fps in an FPS type game it's not the low fps that your brain notice it's the fact that there is always a one frame delay between when you move and when it's rendered on screen and when you are runing at just 24 fps well that single frame of delay become verry important

you brain cannot take data from more then 30-40 fps (consiously)but your brain still notice the flicker from the screen changing the datas it's showing thus the head hache

[EviLCorsaiR]

actualy at 24 fps in an FPS type game it's not the low fps that your brain notice it's the fact that there is always a one frame delay between when you move and when it's rendered on screen and when you are runing at just 24 fps well that single frame of delay become verry important

you brain cannot take data from more then 30-40 fps (consiously)but your brain still notice the flicker from the screen changing the datas it's showing thus the head hache

In games, it's all down to how well they use motion blur.

With games that don't utilise motion blur well, you can actually detect slowdown in anything below 60fps. Well, I can at least. Modern Warfare 2 was a great example, I could easily see it becoming more jittery at below 50fps, and I considered anything below 45fps to be detrimental to gameplay. I felt 30fps was unplayable.

But in other games that use motion blur well, they can look smooth even at 30fps. For example, Bad Company 2. To me, it appears smooth (not perfect, but relatively smooth) at 30fps, and playable even down to about 25fps. Same with Crysis.

It's the same reason that movies can run in 24fps but look perfectly smooth. The motion blur in between the frames on a movie 'tricks' our brain into seeing it as a smooth, fluid picture. If that motion blur isn't as prominent, you need to significantly raise the FPS to get the same sense of smoothness.

[daveh98]

People are overlooking the biggest reason they notice FPS drops...the drops themselves. If you are getting 90 FPS and then it goes to 40, you see a DROP in which the frames are rendered differently. If I am playing at 30 FPS locked on a console or 60 FPS, it is nice and smooth. Now if I am on a PC with V Sync Off, then even though I am "averaging 95 FPS, it appears choppier if I am having issues of performance spikes and drops. It is the sudden change of play that the eye perceives IMO. The eye is NOT detecting a difference between 60 constant and 80 constant. No one would be able to tell which is which.

[widezu69]

The only reason 24fps appears jerkier than 30fps is the fact that 24fps does not sync with 60Hz and has to endure a 3:2 pull down (1st frame twice, 2nd thrice, 3rd twice, 4th thrice) giving uneven distribution across the frames. Thats why consoles have a minimum of 30fps because it is the best sync for a 60hz tv. If you cap your game at 24fps on a 48hz monitor things will also be relatively smooth. Go to doom9, avsforums and guru3d, tonnes of discussions on this.
Anyway back on track M18x.

[miahsoul]

To me, the fact that the R2 is still available for purchase tells me that the M18x is coming.

They have an M11x (high mobility), M15x (medium mobility) M17xR3 (low mobility, decent performance cheaper than the old R2???) and the M17xR2 (lowest mobillity, highest performance).

Now, we know dell. They looooove to milk the cash. Pricing a new product lower than an old product, and leaving the old product up for sale - smells way fishy.

No, the M17xR3 is a bigger screen M15x. The M18x will be the next R2. Ill bet money on it.

-Ash

M17x R2 - 17.0"
M17x r3 - 17.3"

it's even bigger than the R2!

[Phinagle]

M17x R2 - 17.0"
M17x r3 - 17.3"

it's even bigger than the R2!

R2 - 2.11 inches x 15.98 inches x 12.65 inches
R3 - 1.77 inches x 16.14 inches x 11.97 inches


16:9 17.3" screens have a smaller screen area than 16:10 17" screens.

[john2000]

your eye can detect spikes and fluctuations when theres big drops because of rendering changes, that doesnt mean that your brain can register over 100 fps a second unless you are some sort of a superman. it just doesnt sound veyr plausible to me. if your game is truly running at 40fps that sounds about right to me. 50 or 60 or 70 or 500 it wont matter in gaming performance much unless you are just chasing numbers