Let's Talk About Gaming Mice

[lupusarcanus]

Oughta have an article about frips. I love palm-grip myself.

[saturnotaku]

Originally Posted by jrwingate6

Bottom line: Some will always prefer something else. Just don't knock something until you have thoroughly given it a try or your opinion means nothing.

Here is a sample of the mice I have used in the last 3 years: MX518, G5, G7, G9, G700, DeathAdder, Orochi, and R.A.T. 5.

Originally Posted by DEagleson

I think Logitech offers SetPoint functionality under OS X as Logitech Control Center.

You must have glossed over where I specifically mentioned (in the part you bolded nonetheless) gaming mice.

Third party alternative could be Steermouse but it costs 20 US dollars.

That's only a partial solution. It works well for assigning buttons, but it also makes the tracking weird, at least for my liking.

[DEagleson]

Originally Posted by saturnotaku

You must have glossed over where I specifically mentioned (in the part you bolded nonetheless) gaming mice.

Back when my MX518 was alive it was using SetPoint, so i assumed all other "gaming" branded Logitech mice also fell under the same category.

It looks different but its still included in the SetPoint suite.

Logitech Control Center is the only software i found on the site that is for OS X.

[saturnotaku]

Originally Posted by DEagleson

Logitech Control Center is the only software i found on the site that is for OS X.

And it doesn't work with any Logitech gaming mouse. That's the point.

Further, it's not only Razer who sees the value in Mac as a gaming platform. MadCatz provides OS X drivers for the R.A.T. series mice as well.

It's kind of ironic that two comparatively tiny companies (Razer and MadCatz) put time and energy into supporting Mac OS with their gaming peripherals, but two giants (Logitech and Microsoft) have not. It's ultimately their prerogative, and if they don't believe they will see any sort of ROI, that's fine. I'll simply vote with my wallet and not support them in return.

[jrwingate6]

Originally Posted by saturnotaku

And it doesn't work with any Logitech gaming mouse. That's the point.

Further, it's not only Razer who sees the value in Mac as a gaming platform. MadCatz provides OS X drivers for the R.A.T. series mice as well.

It's kind of ironic that two comparatively tiny companies (Razer and MadCatz) put time and energy into supporting Mac OS with their gaming peripherals, but two giants (Logitech and Microsoft) have not. It's ultimately their prerogative, and if they don't believe they will see any sort of ROI, that's fine. I'll simply vote with my wallet and not support them in return.

I just read over in the Logitech forums that the reason why their Gaming Mouse does not come with built in support for OSX is because OSX does not play nicely when a mouse is reporting 500 or more times a second. They said OSX causes tracking errors when you have a mouse that reports that many times per second.

Still no g5 osx support? - Logitech Forums

[saturnotaku]

Originally Posted by jrwingate6

I just read over in the Logitech forums that the reason why their Gaming Mouse does not come with built in support for OSX is because OSX does not play nicely when a mouse is reporting 500 or more times a second. They said OSX causes tracking errors when you have a mouse that reports that many times per second.

Still no g5 osx support? - Logitech Forums

Unless there is a physical hardware limitation, Logitech is being lazy because report rate is easily changed from SetPoint in Windows. Razer's OS X drivers offer this functionality as well. If the mouse defaults to 500 reports, put something in the documentation and online knowledge base recommending Mac users install the software to adjust this setting to ensure proper tracking.

The least Logitech can do is be honest. What they're talking about there sounds like excuse making to me.

[jrwingate6]

Originally Posted by saturnotaku

Unless there is a physical hardware limitation, Logitech is being lazy because report rate is easily changed from SetPoint in Windows. Razer's OS X drivers offer this functionality as well. If the mouse defaults to 500 reports, put something in the documentation and online knowledge base recommending Mac users install the software to adjust this setting to ensure proper tracking.

The least Logitech can do is be honest. What they're talking about there sounds like excuse making to me.

Yes, this would make sense, however it would probably end up costing them money due to all of the people who have no idea what report rate is nor do they have any idea how to change it. These people would return the mouse along with blowing up forums and tech support stating that the mouse is skipping all over the place. They probably just don't want the bad press. There are a lot of people out there who never read user manuals. I would assume it wouldn't be that hard for Logitech to create the software for OSX. I'm sure they have talked about it and I'm sure we don't know the whole story.

[masterchef341]

Originally Posted by masterchef341

If polling occurs every 8 ms, it would actually take some amount of time between 0 - 8 ms. Technically, the transmission itself would take some time as well, but that time should be small.

on average it would take 4 ms

Originally Posted by Mastershroom

And how did you arrive at that conclusion?

I arrived at that conclusion with some simple math. I can't get into it without giving a very long winded and thorough explanation, but I could be succinct by deferring to wikipedia. Here are the two thorough, math related articles which demonstrate how to handle probability for this type of situation.

Probability distribution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Expected value - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia